You dps players need to imagine a world where tanks are viable and put a 20-50% permanent damage reduction as long as they’re hitting you, while losing nothing.
Clicking buttons for nothing of value to happen is discouraging to say the least.
are you trying to claim then that game isnt suffering of healer drought or long ques out of low healer participation? interesting, nice insults tho. might want to look in the mirror
if you really think there is no problem with lack of healers or healer mmr then all i can say is thank god i dont have your brain.
also people rather use statistics when it comes to gathering information or comparing something, if you rather use your own feelings than stats and call anything other “looking in magical internet pages” then all i can say is smoke less of that whatever your smoking as here in the real world people rather look stats than what some “bro” tells them
dont bother reply to me again with these nonsense insults or calling basic data as “magical internet page infos” nobody cares of some stoners ramble, just enjoy your 5 ww’s and keep telling everyone how its not really that good spec what everyone sees it is and keep calling others delusional, again a glance in mirror would do good
some advice for future interactions with people, when you start with something like calling them as “clown” they stop caring about anything what you have to say there so writing an essay to someone who you have started the interaction with insult is propably not the best of approaches if you want people to actually hear what you have to say, so either you just call them whatever it is that you usually insult people and keep it short or you keep it civil if you like to write and essay at them, take it how you want. put it in your pipe and smoke it with the rest of whatever it is that you usually smoke i dont care
honestly i trust my own feelings more than those pages because i see the game first hand while you only see it on pages and numbers. nothing will change my mind about it especially not some “clown” here in the forums trying to bait me all the time into some stupid arguments about how mage is a bad class because of x percentages. Just dont reply to me or talk to me if you have a problem. simple.
oh like your takes from your 5 ww’s trying claim everywhere that ww is not so good even tho its infact the #1 melee in every brachet, then you try deny that there is healer drought even
and you are the one who keeps replying this nonsense to me and others on the forum so stop the act, and keep using 12y insults if thats all you got
nobody is bating anyone on nothing, youre being told statistics to reveal your delusions. youre just too biased and delusional to see it and your calling statistics as “magical internet pages bro”
I mean whos the fool really here, someone who mains 5x ww’s right when its #1 dps and goes around trying claim everyone its not even so good and then calls statistics “magic fantasy internet page bro”
Even if I would put the usual delusional biases aside, you cross the line when you start using 12y insults while trying claim that there is no problem with healer mmr or game suffering of massive healer drought
Yeah you can stop with that nonsense your spewing everyone or keep reply to me anywhere, nobody cares of your nonsense and everyone see through it
There is opportunity to outplay Sharpen Blade via mitigating/avoiding damage during the MS window without compromising its ability to be highly impactful when used well.
You can’t outplay Dampening arbitrarily deciding that healing is no longer relevant X minutes into a game.
No offense but you also suggested to heavily nerf focused will for Disc and Hpriest. Priest is the healer with the least mobility, Hpriest has one school of magic for healing and Disc is a throw pick right now, focused will is literally their protection against getting tunneled down by melee cleaves. I’d call your “feeling” questionable at best. On top of that, I saw your stream and you’re literally playing ww + dk + hpal, which makes your statement even more ridiculous.
Ofc he did, his biased and as person type that just wants every other class in the game nerfed so that benefit him
The guy does main 5 wws after all and keeps trying play victim card that his bullied by some or that his spec isnt somehow #1 melee which it is
But this insulting others with some 12y slurs and delusions of no healer mmr or shortages in game just make me think its bit deeper problems than just bias on this guys case
Sure, but its also ridiculous to look at representation and believe thats the entire thing that showcases specs.
When people either avoid discussions by calling out representation as their entire reason why something is not strong, that is quite a joke considering mage and sub rogues are not bad even while some want to claim it is.
I personally dont care what people have said before and take that into account into arguments unless they keep repeating the same ideology.
Just the same as I agreed nerfing Focused Will would literally kill disc/hpriest and even Spriest to some extent I also agree that using representation as their “main point” why something is bad is also dumb.
So the statement of “stupid arguments about how mage is a bad class because of x percentages.” I agree with.
Edit:
Just like one person said once before to me that I were wrong because
“You dont play the game”
When its quite clear I do.
imagine even begin to argue with people that there wouldnt be a healer drought and ques longer than have to, imagine even trying start contradict it with anything
or imagine playing the victim card as #1 melee ww while maining 5 of them
and ofc guy playing uhdk,ww,hpala wants some priest defensives nerfed as they train priests with their setup, im just mentioning this for people who dont understand as much
im just going to ignore all the dumb insults as theyre not even worth to mention after all the rest nonsense
Of course statistics aren’t always correct but most of the time they do still tell a lot. WW is traditionally an unpopular class and suddenly their representation skyrockets in all three game modes and in every skill bracket. Denying that WW is an extremely strong class over all right now when you have the representation right next to you is like denying math.
The weakness of statistics is that it doesn’t factor in how popular a class is but in the case of WW that does weaken their argument like earlier explained. Also statistics fail when something is “sleeper op” which isn’t an uncommon thing. And lastly they struggle to represent how strong classes are when they are played to their full potential but on the other side they represent a solid effort to reward ratio which is just as important in my opinion.
Quite honestly, I don’t care about WW at all, nor do I care about Mage (even tho I find it ridiculous how they constantly buff dmg instead of tuning down the outliers or giving warri a last minute patch while completely ignoring far more important issues for months) because neither of them is preventing me from climbing. Even tho that I think that WW should get at least an indirect nerf by making it more difficult to play. I only want healing to be fun and rewarding and not be treated like a second class citizen.
Yes, representation can point towards if something is overtuned or not, that I do not deny. It does not however tell everything which some people seems to believe.
I love WW monks, I just dont play it since I want to play it in PvE and honestly, the elite set this season, to me, looks bad
Yes. This I do agree with, but some people seems to be quite defensive the instant you talk about their spec. With usually the most stupid comments. But thats quite normal on the forum, just some are way worse than others.
I personally dont care either, I sometimes just have fun discussing or arguing about certain aspects of the game and certain class/specs which is wide open for everyone and if I am wrong, and get explained to, I atleast learn something new.
The healing situation is just funny in general, anytime something happens like now, with the resto druid new talent (le trees) apparently being abit strong? Or did I look at it wrong? And some “resto druids” said it wasnt gonna be enough. Atleast how I remember it.
But I do look in favor of making every healer equal just different flavor overall.
But otherwise, no, they rarely care about healers. Atleast not for PvP and in RSS with how punishing the MMR is and how long it takes to balance healers. Even with fewer specs it should be easier.
I know its extreme Copium and I dont rly believe it myself but…
Next expansion will fix it for sure, for sure
I will actually be interested to see how they will handle the budget for the devs and how they actually want to move forward with WoW.
But we wont rly know if it will be better or worse until it happens x)
i mean obviously everyone are allowed to talk whatever they please and be social as its open platform for everyone with sub but when you come quite often btw tell people about their classes or the game when you dont even play on the entire season at all then you should just be quiet or stick to the random banter, that much should be obvious really
you have weirdly big ego and you talk weirdly alot on pvp section for someone who doesnt do anything related pvp yourself
i mean i put zero value on anything you say which would be outside of some joke but you shouldnt derail or flood with it too much either unless the topics are of humored nature, something of related pvp you have zero say as you participate in none of it so it is as much value as some of the flaming from classic chars
one look in your check pvp and why would anyone listen you talk about the current state of game or read anything you tell them about pvp I mean
saying you play when you have done 20 games total for the season on 1 character, social contract prevents me say what i think about that but yeah
flame people less, play the game more yourself then come talk like expert
I didn’t read any suggestions or contra arguements. All I read is “it’s broken, fix it”.
It is. But it has counters. A lot of them. Now if the team that is against the Windwalker decides to utilize 0 brain cells and die like a quest mob, that is different. This is the so called " noob stomp " situation. Not something you need an Oxford degree for. Just like how you learn to not cross the street when theres a bunch of cars speeding in front of you, you learn to press a button in a situation.
You already have to literally take 20 different variables into account if you want to succeed as a Windwalker.
Do I have a minimal chance to kill a Mage? No
Can I kill his Rogue friend then? Not really, but hitting Mage is “better”
I pop Leg Sweep into all my cds and people instantly trinket and CC me 5 times in a row, what can I do?
I trinketed offensively, only to get CC-ed again, didn’t get my damage out, now I died in a stun because I have no trinket
Should I reroll Undead because every brainless Warrior Fears me when I try to burst?
Where was my port again?
Why did I disarm the Rogue he cloaked it anyway?
Oh the brainless Warrior Shockwaved my Fists again
Can I remove my slow from my bar because every game has a paladin that spams freedom?
My Karma got Bopped offensively again, and I died, do I start using it on pets?
Oh that Shaman player moved me to Narnia with his static totem again then rooted me and hexed me
At least I can kill Hunters, right? Wait he popped RoS I can’t crit him, now im scattered and he rooted me a 2nd time and I have no Tiger’s lust anymore
Why do I have slow on my bars again? That Evoker is going full Ferrari, wait, my teammate died 100-0 to the lizard freak?
Do I use 2 or 3 defensives against this Sub rogue before his stun? Last time 2 weren’t enough and I forgot he would Karma my cloak
Is this Ring of Peace angle good enough to double leg sweep both of them?
WHY IS MY HEALER NOT DISPELLING ME IM BURSTING???!??!?!?!
Great I crossed half the map to remove your Root Beam just so you can trinket nothing with brain lag after
WHY AM I STILL NOT GETTING DISPELLED?
CAN YOU PLEASE PURGE THIS BOP? PLEASE?
WHY DID YOU CYCLONE MY KILL TARGET?
CAN THIS DK STOP CHAINS OF ICE SPAMMING ME AND GRIPPING ME ALL GAME?
I can probably make a whole Comic Book Series based on things that go through a Windwalker Monk’s head every day in every game
Nah, not every class has that much going on in their head.
Warrior head usually goes like
SAP = BLADESTORM
WHY DID HE WAIT OUT MY BLADESTORM
ME SMASH PUNY WARLOCK PLAYER
MAGE STOOPID
BOP STOOPID
ME BLADESTORM DISARM, noob destroyed
ME DISARM ME TRINKET
WHY CANT I PARRY WHEN IM DISARMED?
STOOPID HEALER HEAL ME
IF ME NO CAN ZUG IT GOOD, ME GO FORUM
Told to find Fear keybind, in head: ME NEED STOP DMG IF FEAR, FEAR BAD
ME INTERVENE HEALER SO HE NO TAKE SHEEP
Mage head goes like
Bro this Ignite dmg
Stupid melee peasant begone
Already used 4 blinks and Alter, let me Shifting power to reset everything real quick
IGNITE DAMAGE WHO NEEDS SHEEPS AHAHAHAHA THE WORLD IS BURNING 90k DPS
I need to use the Benny Hill song on my new YouTube compilation to show off my permanent 70% arcane mage ferrari speed
You stunned me? NO. Instant trinket and Alter time, begone peasant
Bro I’m getting dizzy from these blinks
I Ice walled my healer by mistake, but at least it looked almost as cool as when Venruki did it
BLADES EDGE BABY TIME FOR KNOCKBACKS
If I got % of haste in PvP, including my racial, and the bare minimum is %, excluding pushback from damage, will that be enough to DB > Sheep?
OH MY GOD HUNTERS ARE BROKEN PLEASE NERF THEM IT IS ILLEGAL FOR ANYTHING TO BE GOOD AGAINST ME
Hey, that BoP was delicious! Thanks! Wait, a Power Infusion? GIMME, BRO THAT EVOKER USED NULLIFYING SHROUD WHAT AN IDIOT AHAHAHA I will be taking that thank you
How dare you call me immortal I literally have 470k hp! It’s a skill issue that you can’t play around my 5 blinks and alter time and knockback and roots and incap and perma slows, L2P noob
Your addon showed you that Counterspell was on cooldown, HAHA SURPRISE
Yo guys I know we’re like 2800 rating on our main mage, rogue and priest and like 2500 on our alts, but it’s getting boring, can we like make new alts to gatekeep people at 2.3?
In terms of fire you forgot “Casting? Whats that?” xD
Ngl though, Im starting to dislike warriors less and hate fire mage more in RSS. The amount of blinks, non-casting, knockback, root, alter, burst dmg and everything almost makes me just alt + f4 xd
Im bad for sure, but man those are just pure annoying!
Both Warriors and Mages have extremely bloated kits for every situation. Warriors only get hard countered by Mages and ocassionaly by Paladins, and Mages only get hard countered by Hunters and ocassionally by Shamans.
Both require very minimal effort to do DMG.
Both are tanky.
In DF there have been Mage builds in PvP which require the same if not less braincells than Warrior (looking at Ignite mastery build, never sheeping, holding 90k dps, never casting), but this does not mean that Warrior’s design isn’t completely obnoxious for everything else in the game - it is