The negative aspects & long-term ramifications of Dual Spec implementation

[Purplase-azjolnerub]

Hey an old school vanilla player here, I am having a blast, Awesome Dual spec Blizzard <3

[Narielle-earthshaker]

You might be an old-school Vanilla player, but you’re definitely a new-school dumbass

[Purplase-azjolnerub]

Aaahw you turning to insults now, classic

[Narielle-earthshaker]

You’re one of those people who cannot comprehend the effects of dual spec, or any other change for that matter. You only see what’s right in front of you, in your own little selfish bubble. So yeah what I wrote stands.

What you want next; summoning stones, faster xp, cheaper mount, attunement removal, personal loot ?

You should go play Retail tbh

[Brolyan-frostmane]

I like the dual spec.

The rest of these demands I see I don’t agree with

[Purplase-azjolnerub]

So many assumptions, but no I am happy that it enables people to play different specs than being forced into one for raidlogging. It enables fun for healers and tanks, or to focus on pve and pvp.

All the other things you mention, I am not in favor of at all.

[Narielle-earthshaker]

Regardless, the fact that you can change specs anywhere anytime without any friction (besides needing to be out of combat) is the most braindead route they could have gone.

GG, you won. Blizzards devs you suck. Aggrend you’re a moron, stick to Retail.

[Cormack-spineshatter]

You are the one in a tiny tiny tiny bubble, and clearly never ever levelled a healer in classic. You, as a rogue will level 3 x as fast as me, sat in holy spec. You selfish child.

[Narielle-earthshaker]

The negative aspects & long-term ramifications of Dual Spec implementation

You are the one in a tiny tiny tiny bubble, and clearly never ever levelled a healer in classic. You, as a rogue will level 3 x as fast as me, sat in holy spec. You selfish child.

I’m fighting for the good of the game as a whole, not for myself in particular, unlike you. But you’re clearly way too smart to notice.

And fyi I usually level warriors solo, don’t talk to me about leveling speed. Tard

[Brinto-wild-growth]

Dual specc also puts the feral druid in a worse spot and makes the compettition between rivalling raid-leaders (rivalling guilds) more shallow. (since all fights become easier).

[Bananoid-firemaw]

@Narielle-earthshaker

You might be an old-school Vanilla player, but you’re definitely a new-school dumbass

Not condining this language but I will note this up for future arguments.

A gem.

[Cormack-spineshatter]

right, gotcha. Every mmorpg i’ve ever played going back to Dark Age of Camelot in 2001 was short of healers. But you refuse to even acknowledge this chosing sub par sarcasm instead, you’re a whole sea of fail, arrr.

[Jidius-earthshaker]

This has to be the worst out of touch take I have ever seens. All your arguments are completely invalidated by the simple fact that respec exists.

It really looks like you never played vanilla wow. We had free respecs during raids using guild funds… Unique? Mate we were all practically running the same builds. Renown? You do know that players respeced for other stuff and where still known for their tanking/heal/button smashing regardless of their current build right?

Seriously, go out and touch some grass mate. The only thing that dual spec does is simplify the respec and it’s only limited to 2 builds…

I’m playing a warrior. Not a tank, or dps, a warrior, I can tank and/or dps. A mage plays a mage, he’s not a frost or a fire mage, etc…

[Narielle-earthshaker]

The negative aspects & long-term ramifications of Dual Spec implementation

This has to be the worst out of touch take I have ever seens. All your arguments are completely invalidated by the simple fact that respec exists. It really looks like you never played vanilla wow. We had free respecs during raids using guild funds… Unique? Mate we were all practically running the same builds. Renown? You do know that players respeced for other stuff and where still known for their tanking/heal/button smashing regardless of their current build right? Seriously, go out and touc…

What am I reading, are you literally proving my point ? You’re playing a Warrior, not a tank, not a dps, but a warrior ?

You’re literally paraphrasing what I said ; about specs not mattering anymore if dual-spec is in the game. You stop being a specific specialization, you ultimately just become the class. Meaning less uniqueness and specialization.

You’re true, braindead first grade trash.

The negative aspects & long-term ramifications of Dual Spec implementation

right, gotcha. Every mmorpg i’ve ever played going back to Dark Age of Camelot in 2001 was short of healers. But you refuse to even acknowledge this chosing sub par sarcasm instead, you’re a whole sea of fail, arrr.

No sh*t. Everyone knows that, and I never denied it. Yet, at the expanse of a positive, you get many negatives…
In addition I reckon dual-spec won’t dramatically increase the amount of people willing to heal to the extend you’re all advocating, you’ll see.

Being able to respec anywhere anytime is a double down on stupidity ; but hey Aggrend I didn’t expend anything else. I knew you were a true tard the back in WotlK when I saw your takes on the game.

[Omrat-bloodfang]

Why its always nightelfs with this strange fixation on a 20y old game? Is this a tism thing?

[Jidius-earthshaker]

It was the same in Vanilla mate. You practically proved you never played it. Paying for respec was an inconvinience, specially for players like myself that new how to play the AH.

Class identity has nothing to do with their build, it never did. I could be pvping in arms and being asked if I could come tank, or tanking in a dungeon and asked to come dps on a raid, or to join a pvp group… most of the time I didn’t swap builds depending on the dungeon or even raid. So how does double-spec breaks “identity” here? (It doesn’t).

Double spec just removes a part of the inconvinience, which is still there as there are other specs.

I don’t know why you’re so against it when for example mages had to swap between frost and fire depending on the raid… You have never been locked to a build, only to the class. So yeah, go touch some grass mate.

[Narielle-earthshaker]

I played way, way, way more than you. From 2005 day of release, until now. But that’s not the point…

Why you should mages be able to switch spec so easily wtf; why should anyone ? It’s an RPG with specializations and talent trees ffs. You dumb ? Yes you are.

Let’s just stop talking. Clearly we’re not into the same kind of games and game design. Which in theory is fine, if you weren’t trying to change the game that is Classic/Vanilla WoW. So you’re in the wrong here.

Go play SoD, or Retail, or any other version, Vanilla and TBC never had dual spec ; so stop coming in and advocating for dumb changes

[Narielle-earthshaker]

‘‘I’m a snowflake, the game needs to cater to me, one simple button and I should be able to access all my talent trees and specializations anywhere at anytime : which has never been the case in 20 years.
Why should there be any friction preventing me from doing so. I don’t understand.’’

‘‘But, but, wait ; I’m a snowflake, now is the time.’’

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[Bigbazz-tarren-mill (Bigbazz)]

@Yuniel-earthshaker

Pushed people to move and be active throughout the world, look for farming spots, explore, do dungeons or craft to earn money.

It also pushed people to buy gold.

@Yuniel-earthshaker

It was a significant gold sink, the game already didn’t have many, except for the epic mount for example, etc.

Which pushed people to buy gold and not log in. If you were paying any attention in Classic 2019, people would raid log on a large scale before the boon was added, and just bought gold to pay for consumes.

How can you ignore consumables as a gold sink, Vanilla is one of the most expensive expansions for consumables in the history of the game.

@Yuniel-earthshaker

Loss of identity and meaning of specializations and classes

What loss of identity? The only difference is now you don’t have to spend 50g to swap, you weren’t tied down before it was just needlessly time consuming or expensive.

@Yuniel-earthshaker

Erosion of social foundations: a player is no longer known by his specialization (tank, healer or dps), but only as his class, which was the foundation for community-building, friendship, renown on the server, etc.

This is nonsensical. Nobody is confused because you decided to spec Arms and run some battlegrounds. And hell, most tanks back in 2006 were Fury spec just like they are in Classic, are you not a tank because you’re not playing Prot?

“I thought that guy was a tank, but then I saw him playing Arms in a BG and now I feel like I don’t know him anymore, what even is he?” Lmao.

@Yuniel-earthshaker

Fewer reasons to reroll, therefore fewer reasons to play in the long term

Why would you want to reroll? I’ve mained Warrior for nearly 20 years. I started raiding in TBC, first as a 2handed Fury Warrior with my Sonic Spear, then I would switch between dual wield Fury and Prot depending on what was needed. I mained Fury Warrior but tanked a tonne, like most Warriors. Dual spec would have made me play more.

@Yuniel-earthshaker

Encourages players to roll/need on all types of items, because after all, they have two specializations

Warrior dungeon tanks already roll on 2handers, 1handers and shields in Vanilla. They tank as 2handed Arms and switch to a 1h + Shield when more defensives are needed, as a way of maintaining agro. At lvl60 in raids

this continues but as dual-wield Fury instead, while tanking.

Also, everything is a hunter item.

@Yuniel-earthshaker

Which will then lead to an ostracization of certain hybrid classes (refusal or not wanting to play with them for fear of them needing all the items)

Low performing hybrid builds are already frowned upon because they suck, that means Enhance Shamans, Ret Paladins, Balance druids etc. Welcome to Classic WoW balanacing, dual spec has nothing to do with any of this.

2hander weapon drops in raids used by Rets and Enhance are already widely considered “off-spec” for all classes, and tanks are already fair game to roll on these items.

@Yuniel-earthshaker

Before you had to choose, be a pvp spec player, excel in one but not the other, well no now you can excel in all areas without consequences or price to pay

No you didn’t, people would take a few weeks off and no-life the game until they could get R13/14 and buy all the gear to use for raiding. Otherwise people would buy gold and respec, quite common issue.

@Yuniel-earthshaker

Tanks and healers have fewer reasons to join groups in these roles, because they now have permanent access to dps spec

A warrior tank in dps gear is still an S-tier dps. A healer with a shadow spec can now farm consumes instead of buying gold. Many people will use dual-spec for PvP.

@Yuniel-earthshaker

Raid leaders will ask people to change spec before each boss or mob pack as needed, and/or force people who don’t want to play or maintain two specializations to do it anyway, under penalty of being lynched or refused future entry.

Before each boss? Maybe. Before each pack? Highly unlikely. In WOTLK Classic the only common situation was a healer being asked to dps on lower healing intensive bosses. Oh no the horror of being slightly less afk occasionally.

@Yuniel-earthshaker

Even for a simple group or dungeon, when a Druid will say that he is not a healer, he will be flamed because “he has two specs how come he refuses to heal”, etc.

This literally already happens and has always happened, without dual spec. Ever tried to be a DPS Warrior in a group without a tank? There are a million memes about this trending right now.

@Yuniel-earthshaker

Not to mention the fact that it will make raids and dungeons easier overall, because players now have access to another set of abilities

You know what makes raids easier? Removal of the debuff limit. If you want hard raids, ask Blizzard to buff them, they are already ridiculously easy. Dual spec is a drop in the ocean to this issue.

@Yuniel-earthshaker

The game is supposed to be an RPG (role-playing game), if everyone can do everything, there’s less need for outside help, less need to group with other players; it erodes the basic foundations of what an mmorpg is supposed to be

What is the role playing element of spending 50g? lmao.

[Narielle-earthshaker]

The negative aspects & long-term ramifications of Dual Spec implementation

It also pushed people to buy gold. Which pushed people to buy gold and not log in. If you were paying any attention in Classic 2019, people would raid log on a large scale before the boon was added, and just bought gold to pay for consumes. How can you ignore consumables as a gold sink, Vanilla is one of the most expensive expansions for consumables in the history of the game. What loss of identity? The only difference is now you don’t have to spend 50g to swap, you weren’t tied down befor…

You are nonsensical.

Everything you wrote is absolute crap, written down by someone blindly trying to invalidate arguments in bad faith. Whatever, you won anyway, it’s in the game. Hope you enjoy going back to Retail once you’re done here, because clearly that’s where you belong.

Braindead troll forum dwellers, most of you