So with the recent meta shift to WSG and precedent set, how long do we think it’ll be before Paladins are found to be “against the spirit of Classic”?
I give it maybe a month of Freedomed BRE Warriors 2 shotting Vurtne cosplayers through Ice Barrier before Blizzard steps in with the nerf bat.
Posting on retail is not spirit of classic
They already nerfed paladins because horde players were complaining. They will probably ban them from WSG if enough horde players want it. Can’t blame Blizzard, Horde players are the majority and bring the most money.
What exactly is your point here?
That when Alliance premades start dominating the WSG scene as they usually do due to Paladins being the premiere support class, Horde premades will complain.
Even if they nerf freedom (which they wont)
There’s still FAPs which are very cheap.
Paladins only give alliance the upper hand in early game (now). Paladins pretty much remove any chance for horde to have premade setups heavy on melee. Which is somewhat balanced actually, because of Windfury.
Horde actually have a massive advantage over them called elemental shamans. Though they are very gear dependant to work well. This is not well known from what i have seen. Since they only get crazy good in very late game gear.
Horde premades that want to beat alliance prems consistently need to ditch most of their physical dps for spell burst. That means primarily ele shammies, warlocks and possibly pom pyro mages. Most of the team must consist of this, 3-4 spell burst is not enough. Must be at least 6 or they are too easy to single out.
Horde already have a load of Elemental Shamans because Elemental Mastery is still bugged and allowing them a double crit on the same batch, unlike the very similar Divine Favour interaction which was patched relatively early on.
You can see footage from lots of old PvP montages that this is not how Elemental Mastery worked back then, but they’re still being allowed to go around oneshotting people from 20 yards every 3 minutes.
Thankfully for them Shamans are a Horde exclusive so the memes continue.
I am far from an expert on details around elemental shamans. However i am pretty sure that as high geared elemental shaman you want to go 30/0/21 for nature’s swiftness. An extra instant cast is far better than normal cast with 100% crit. Naturally, crit chance from your gear should be a primary focus.
Why bother gearing crit when you can abuse Elemental Mastery and guarantee a crit CL + ES at 20 yards and oneshot anyone that isn’t a Warrior in t1 while stacking Spell Damage.
I see your point at these gear levels we are currently at. However when you can pick gear from the highest shelves and do not have to sacrifice spell damage for crit or survivability, i think NS is better. Anyway, as i said i am no expert and i think we can agree they are really good in premades either way.
No, they’re literally better than they should be because the Elemental Mastery bug is going unfixed.
My whole point was that they dont really need Elemental Mastery to be good, and even less at higher levels. They are still the best tool horde has against alliance prems.
Your point is that Elemental Shamans scale well with gear and crit, and are inherently weaker early on. I tell you that the Elemental Mastery BUG shores up their lack of crit early on, allowing them to be just as potent in their role now as they will be later, but that’s irrelevant because later on they won’t need it?
I do not know about the bug you are speaking of. I know that both specs are good and thats it.
I have told you the bug. You have ignored it. Elemental Mastery is bugged and guarantees two critical strikes instead of one, meaning you can Chain Lightning + Earthshock for two guaranteed crits at 20 yards.
As I also mentioned above, there is no shortage of past montages demonstrating that this is not how the skill worked, yet Shamans are allowed to continue running around double critting people, instantly killing all but the most geared of players/Warriors in t1.
Perhaps if you would read my comments, you would understand the issue here.
You are complaining about a bugged talent you say. I say i dont care, because they can spec out of it and still have crazy burst. Exactly what do you want me to say?
Of course you don’t care, you’re a Horde player and don’t have to contend with it. Why do you think it hasn’t been fixed?
Divine Favour was at one point allowing Holy Paladins to crit Holy Light + Holy Shock in the exact same vein, reckon you can guess if that got fixed?
Fixing it will not change the potential of shamans in premades which was the base of this discussion. Is what i am saying. I would say the same if i was alliance, which i might as well have been.
The role of Shamans in premades is a bit of offhealing and focused burst damage on a kill target.
You imply that allowing them the safety of a guaranteed 3-4k+ damage nuke that they shouldn’t have under proper circumstances no change in potential?
As expected of the average poster.