A naked spriest with only trinkets and jewelry has done ??, i think you shouldnt use that fight as an example…
And thats not me bashing on delve difficulty, its rewards or whatever because i dont give a damn, for all i care all Delvers get a full set of myth track gear when they step foot inside them.
Oh and before you tell me “but you havent done it either”, Nope i havent, and i explained the reason why in another thread.
Just read this and you missed a glorious chance to type “overgnome”…
That would have been comedy gold and won the internet this week, even beating the hilarious milk additive conspiracy theory posts in facebook which have had me chuckling all week.
Midrange /Average all-around PvE player that does a bit of everything.
Which begs the question: if someone takes M+ even remotely seriously, they probably have the RIO addon, yes? So why in gods name would anybody invite someone with 0 completed dungeons, and therefore 0 score, to a +8 in the first place?
Even without the addon, your score is displayed in teh application…With the addon it´s “copy profile”, open web browser, inspect… how much more easy does it have to be?
That’s not a failure of the system, or the “delver”, rather it’s a complete and utter failure of the group leader to even try and vet the applicants… 
Thank god these delvers don’t have ways to gain m+ score without actually earning it. Who could protect themselves from them then?
Also, it’s good that “ahead of the curve” exists, because it proves that players have cleared the raid legit and surely must understand the boss fights.
Again, hot dog eating champions.
“Thank god those skinny people can’t gain calories without actually eating hot dogs. Who would protect them from themselves then?”
Understanding a boss fight is one youtube search away
Yall sound ridiculous 
you say thing like this, because you refuse to try yourself. It really is not that simple, most semi-hc guilds, including mine already quit on this raid after the first 4 bosses, because the other bosses require 20-person coordination which simply ain’t possible.
On the other hand, bosses in M+ usually are not really forgiving, some mistakes could be overhealed, some bypassed by gear and def abilities, but mostly it will cost you a life = slowing the whole group, reducing the chances to beat the timer.
High-end PVE is not as easy as you think it is 
Do me! Do me now!!!
Everyone scans profile and comes to same conclusion
“Prat”.
Aww…
All what you have described in your og post is happening for some time. It has nothing to do with delves.
You have always had good and bad players. And that’s it …
Sorry that you managed to form group with bad people. Good luck next time.
Honestly, I have no idea how Blizz should solve this. You mean like remove delves from the game system? You really think this would help?
Speaking about m+ score and curve … you made me laugh my friend. Both of those can be easily accuired through boosting groups. If you’re precise, you manage to check their runs before starting the key. Because you can be pro player with 2500+ score but also, you can have enough gold to get boosted and have the same score.
Idk… its kinda funny you have a thread saying ‘‘please don’t be toxic to tanks and healers’’ And this thread up at the same time 
Possibly reasonably good delver /open world /LFR player, but (no offense, just in the spirit of the thread) someone that definitely should not be blindly invited to a +8, unless carrying him was always the plan, because he may or may not even know the dungeons on Normal or Heroic. 
scrolls up to see M+ score of zero
Yep
See how easy it is to properly vet people yet, Kartoffeln?
Thats what he said.
Okay i cant resist, my turn! I should actually do this on my priest though.
None taken. I would be offended if someone did throw me an invite to an 8 and only be insulted on everyone else in that party’s behalf and send them a message more or less telling them to “behave yourself”
I am Murloc, I am death! 
630+ m+ vault items, 626 hero raid rare neck, top end crafts, properly enchanted and socketed…
Well prepared High end PvE player easily capable of completing most content in the game if his skill halfway matches his gear. May or may not be a mythic raider /high key pusher, but definitely could be if he wanted to.
Kartoffeln´s dream invite to a +8 for an easy carry. 
I am known for bringing people together. You are welcome!
you forgot to mention he isn’t playing a metaclass, they won’t invite him to most groups
That’s irrelevant. That only proves that a skilled player can do the content with lesser gear and also that probably spriest is really good for that fight.
I remember watching Nawh, or however he spells it, tanking 20+ on an almost naked warrior I think during DF. What does that mean? That m+ is trivial content?
It doesn’t really matter for me why you or someone else haven’t killed him. I’m not here to bash anyone. I guess you can do it if you try. My point is though that you have the achievement for ? difficulty. So if ?? was so trivial you would also have it, right? I understand that you are not motivated to try. But it is kinda proof that it is not that trivial content like ? is.
I don’t understand how any pve player that likes a bit of a challenge hasn’t done him though. It’s the most accessible pve challenge. I mean during mop I leveled a lock just to do the green fire boss. I don’t even like casters. But that’s me and you have your reasons.
Not in my case, but since you said you dont care i wont elaborate further.
So lets say killing ?? gives myth track gear in the Vault, thats a 5 minute fight, meaning you can technically fill the vault in 45 ish minutes. That would need to be looked at then because thats not equal to m+.
And tier 11 delves are very much below the difficulty of a +10, unless you are unlucky and have Zekvir come say hi😂.
If you want to equalize rewards, which i have no issue with, you also have to equalize difficulty and time/effort spent.
All im saying here is that since everyone seems to want equal rewards, that means equal effort as well.
I never said I wanted delves to drop myth gear, you are replying to someone else in that case.
I said I’m perfectly happy with the rewards but it would be perfect if ?? Zekvir droped a maxed hero item appropriate for your spec. Not vault, as a drop.
I cba reading through 400 replies, but do ppl really invite players with 0 score into +8’s anyways? Cant really see that happening so how is it an issue that so called delvers get gear?