And to add, one of the reasons people are complaining is because they don’t have to hard cast? Doesn’t that tell you something about the state of the game and how easy it is to lock down casters.
Fix that first.
Did somebody said damage is fine? I agree damage is too high but nerfing it needs to be compensated with defensives and self healing otherwise it will be like enhancement shaman literally a punching bag.
Imagine making ele shaman hard casting while 2 zug zug melees mash 3 pve rotation buttons on you.
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Yup exactly, let’s just nerf enhancement by 25%, now look at us. No buffs to our defensives other than a slight reworked astral shift, oh and a direct nerf to self healing.
It’s a joke.
Well maybe against mellees, but in spellcleave battles grounding is the most insane defensive in the game. Still this is reasonable, I would be fine with giving shamans defensives for some damage tuning because its out of control. Just 0 casting and top damage easily every game
There is no such a thing like hard casting neither kiting in the game anymore.
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What makes ele so problematic is the nature of its dmg dealing. Back in recent expansions ele was all about short burst windows every minute which was easily trackable and avoidable for decent players. Now we have a dumb talent called deeply rooted elements which procs for ridiculous dmg and sometimes even multiple times in a row. That makes the spec unpredictable as it can dish out random meatball barrages for massive dmg. They should just prune this talent and return ele to its roots as a somewhat short burster with supportive playstyle inbetween.
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Haha, The ‘if you don’t have good team mates’ argument.
Yes, that’s everyone in every game. It’s not like you’re alone in the arena. You have another guy pumping out dps and a healer. You’re talking as if it’s 3v1. Ele is doing damage when he’s being trained or not. Melee is only doing damage if its on you.
Like I said, who would win out of a healer + 2 ele’s or a healer + 2 armsman?. (same healer).
I didn’t necessarily mean that ele has to be forced to hard cast. As someone mentioned earlier, the problem exists on a deeper level where mobility is too high to gain any distance (I know how that feels). But definitely reduce the lava burst proc rate, and force ele to use less impactful globals if they want to only spam instants.
“Rogue” taking a downward turn??? That’s a joke right? Assa will remain broken
All mage specs are still built around hard casting. That’s the intent, but it’s not what ends up happening cause you can’t. So you run these builds that stall the game until cds are back. Kind of boring.
is that right? frost mage 75% ice lance dmg breakdown hmm
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This is, in my view, the root of the problem. But GL getting Blizzard to do anything about it when they’re designing the entire game around M+
Read again what i wrote my guy. Yeah it’s icelance spam when frozen Orb is up. Outside orb you do no damage cause you cant hard cast. Yeah Icelance is like 50% of your damage. You run those builds cause you have to. No mage finds it fun.
Ye im spending 90% of the game surviving by the skin of my teeth in this meta through heals
Why shouldnt you too feel the same pressure when u fight an ele? Are you special or something?
I literally rerolled ele this expansion purely due to casting being a nightmare in wow lately with the horrible melee favouratism
If you nerf ele im just gonna go play boomkin or sp or something else that doenst have to cast and still can do damage
But sometime dont proc in 3 arenas in row, its very very rng (its problem in pve too sometime i have 70k dps and some time 40k dps because rng proc of this one talent
So you rerolled to Ele since it’s a broken spec.
You’ll then reroll if it gets nerfed. Broken spec rerollers are the bane of this game.
Did you see the Ele in awc? the only point he was ‘by the skin of his teeth’, was during a go against the even more broken assassin spec.
Rest of the time he stood in the middle cranking non stop damage. The only reason Ele’s arn’t completely dominating 3v3 bracket is RMP dominance over all set ups and 2v2 assassin+disco (broken spec+broken spec), are the go to.
Look at every tier list, Ele is S tier. You think that a coincidence?
I dont think Ele needs a nerf.
It has its strong sides and weak sides.
Maybe a change could be made on the Ascendance proc. Maybe make it like Pala’s wing proc so its predictable and you can react to it.
The lack of mobility it has combibed with awful defensive cds. makes it a real glass cannon. If you are going for nerf on Ele than you need to buff its defensives so it doesnt become a Boomy.
And what about totaly broken wars, DH, unkilleble druids… ele have only one somtime lukcy RNG damage, but no defs, no big sustain dmg…
LB crit for 30k, is joke in compare with other classes…
Ele is S tier in wet deams maybe
lol, check spec rankings by rank 1 players. ALL OF THEM place ele in S tier. If you feel like its weak, its a skill issue, that simple.