It’s either not a lobby game, or it was always a lobby game, because the fundamentals of the game didn’t change in the last 18 years. It’s a reductive viewpoint that trivializes the world which very much exists, it just becomes useless once the endgame grind starts.
It’s not players making the world useless, it’s Blizzard by design. If world activity provided the most efficient way of getting high level gear, everyone would be doing it.
Nope, I have made all my gold through the Profession system. I am pleased to say I have done it all legitimately and not used any of the bugs which have been called out.
Most of the gold was made selling Enchants over Xmas on the Region-wide AH. But I can still quite happily pull in a few million a month just selling crafted armor.
Same reason they removed the gender swap service and made it a barbershop option instead.
They could still be milking this service as we speak. Yet they chose to cut that source of income entirely to please their playerbase.
Yes, because you admitted yourself that you have an alt of basically every class leveled up and you’ve almost certainly been playing since lunch if you’ve made serious money with professions.
That’s not playing the game normally, that’s playing 5-10 hours a day for 5 months.
Well you have to think about why they introduced the Gender Swap service in the first place. Although it was originally an Appearance change service.
That was retired because it was unnecessary, and people probably weren’t paying for it.
The boost though, is complete different kettle of fish. That service actually has value.
Well, so do you think you could make this amount of gold on a fresh character now with unleveled professions and no alts starting with i.e. 20k gold? Ofc not lol Maybe you could at launch, but I mean that’s not really what you were proposing.
Anyway, why even farm gold? Just earn money irl and buy the boost… It’s way more efificient, and if it isn’t and you live in europe, probably time to reevaluate some things tbh…Also, in the tame you made the gold to buy wow tokens for 60 euro, you will probably have leveled many chars to 60 anyway xd. I would advocate for a lower boost price, because the current prices are absolutely insane imo. 60 euro for level 60. Not worth at all.
And what a good lunch that was.
No it’s called playing the game efficiently. As I said before, I consider WoW as a full package. So I make sure in my time playing I make use of the full package and not just the mini-games.
But it doesn’t take alot to level a profession. Buy 1 top selling recipe on the AH, gather all the available KP. You’ll have that item maxed out in 2-3 weeks and be able to start selling it.
It might be late to get start on that this month (last month I would have advised it), but come the new season you can get started.
Please just don’t. I’m not saying I agree with OP, but please pick other arguments.
they should improve the leveling experience and i’m sure they are aware of how boring it is . i wouldn’t want a whole skip tho.
It has value because it fixes a problem that doesn’t need to exist - just like the gender swap situation.
Creating a problem (awful leveling experience) and solving it by making your customers pay extras (max level boost) isn’t exactly the most ethical business decision either.
They could solve this whole situation the Guild Wars 2 way, with Tomes of Knowledge.
cosigned except the GW2 part. The solution needs to be better leveling.
That’s a silly take. Players play the game in different ways. It doesn’t make it one single thing, just because some people play it in a certain way.
Case in point: there’s people who only do pet battles. That doesn’t make WoW a ‘pokemon-esque battle game’ though.
That’s a matter of opinion. To me the world definitely does not become useless. It is my main source of entertainment after the leveling process is over. And remains so throughout an expansion’s lifetime.
Probably yes. But would those people enjoy it? Probably not.
But that doesn’t change my opinion that WoW should remain an MMORPG. And allowing people to freely skip leveling completely undermines that. Character should take investment. And the costs currently involved in skipping is a deterent. Because Blizzard doesn’t want people to skip, because they’re running an MMORPG. Not a moba or some such game.
Why? It’s a legit concern to me.
I don’t want WoW to turn into such a game - the fact that some players TREAT it as such, is already bad enough.
What’s the problem that doesn’t need to exist? Levelling? But Levelling isn’t the problem, it’s part of the game.
Yes, that’s why I say Pre-SL levelling, which was a much better experience.
PvP is also part of the game, but I remember PvE plays whining loudly in Shadowlands S1 when PvP gear was BiS for M+ progress.
Leveling is just a mini game and a side activity. Players should be able to skip it entirely.
Leveling is boring because your character just don’t improve. When you gain level, mobs also are getting level. There is no need for improving your character because you can level up easily while being naked, there’s no feeling “I need this and that to make leveling smooth” - both health and mana sustain is innate, mobs die from breathing…
It’s like - imagine that all characters get the same end-gameish stats at max level and items are there only for ilvl. To feel acomplishment there has to be need for that. If I want my char stronger, that’s because it’s currently weak or I just want to see bigger numbers.
Leveling is completely butchered of this. It’s just a chore, but I wouldn’t remove it because with new talent trees each level gives some time to get used to new talent system.
Because in other threads you argue what MMORPG means and you’re gonna start never ending debate.
Levelling is the core part of the game.
We’ve already established how you can skip it.
Which is why I say they should return to pre-SL style of Levelling, it was a much better experience.
I’ve always used the generally accepted definitions of an MMORPG.
So as far as I’m concerned there’s no argument there.
It’s the same as ‘arguing’ that the world is round. That’s not an argument. It’s merely stating a fact.
Oh don’t worry; I’m not THAT invested in this topic. 
I care, but it’s not a hill I’m willing to die on, so to speak.
No.
The core issue is that you can’t play the game from level 1 to 69.
No M+. No raids. No arena.
Everything that’s fun in the game is locked until you’ve grinded for hours and hours, and finally reach that 70 milestone. Everything you do before you reach max level is irrelevant.
Being locked out of the most engaging, polished and fun parts of the game is why playing on a low level character is lame.
You know not everybody enjoys the same stuff as you? I enjoyed leveling in classic.
Which is why, as stated in my very first post, skipping leveling would be an option.
You can still inflict that upon yourself if you’re into that.