I must say, the Vulpera were quite short-sighted. I assume that they know that the Alliance is bent on making the Horde suffer for what they did to Teldrassil. Who doesn't know that? And yet they still supplied the Horde with war resources, and then acted all surprised when the Alliance attacked said supplies. Do they have a functioning brain? It didn't take a genius to figure out that such a reckless move would incur the Alliance's wrath.
The latter being a good reason to attack the Vulpera, just like it would have been a good idea to attack Brennadam if that posed a danger to the Horde War Effort (I condemn the gruesome way it was done in, though).
Brennadam didn't pose a threat to the Horde though.
The Alliance has evidence that the Vulpera are supplying the Horde with war supplies.
But the Horde didn't have any evidence that Brennadam was supplying the Alliance with war supplies, only that they were supplying Kul Tiras, which was still neutral anyway, so they acted out of paranoia and baseless assumptions, whereas the Alliance had a legitimate casus belli to wage war on the Vulpera.
Obviously, this was the new motivation that was given during the final stages of the beta, and that was definitely an improvement over the previous motivation that the Horde had for attacking Brennadam, that boiled down to Sylvanas wanting everyone to serve her.
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No one mentions the Burning of Teldrassil, because we all realise how it is irrelevant. Neither is everything justified in a war.
28/10/2018 15:28Posted by
Arctur A war that the Horde started, I might add, when they erased Darnassus from history, and committed genocide.
Say what now?
btw. Purge Sqaud before
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/411187738520322050/502265123013001221/WoWScrnShot_101718_164053.jpg?width=1084&height=610
Purge squad now: "Destroy their supplies and don't shout anything mean! Here is a rainbow sticker for you!"
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28/10/2018 15:56Posted by
Arctur Brennadam didn't pose a threat to the Horde though.
Hence my "would" and "if", as I understand that the justification of it is debatable.
28/10/2018 15:56Posted by
Arctur But the Horde didn't have any evidence that Brennadam was supplying the Alliance with war supplies, only that they were supplying the Admiralty of Kul Tiras, which was still neutral anyway, so they acted out of paranoia and baseless assumptions, whereas the Alliance had a legitimate casus belli to wage war on the Vulpera.
I partly agre,, though I have to say that I can see the reasoning of the Horde. An Alliance ship docked in the Boralus Harbor, and the 7th Legion is organising strikes on Zandalar from Boralus. While there is no definitive proof that the Alliance is being supplied by Kul Tiras, I understand that the Horde would rather be safe than sure of their case. However, like I said, I condemn the way the attack was executed because if you're not sure of your case, you certainly don't surprise-attack a civilian settlement, killing as many innocents as you can in the process.
I understand the Horde's train of thoughts, but that's about it.
Say what now?
btw. Purge Sqaud before
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/411187738520322050/502265123013001221/WoWScrnShot_101718_164053.jpg?width=1084&height=610
Purge squad now: "Destroy their supplies and don't shout anything mean! Here is a rainbow sticker for you!"
I really don't have an idea what you're trying to say. What's your point?
No one mentions the Burning of Teldrassil, because we all realise how it is irrelevant. Neither is everything justified in a war.
28/10/2018 15:28Posted by
Arctur A war that the Horde started, I might add, when they erased Darnassus from history, and committed genocide.
Say what now?
btw. Purge Sqaud before
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/411187738520322050/502265123013001221/WoWScrnShot_101718_164053.jpg?width=1084&height=610
Purge squad now: "Destroy their supplies and don't shout anything mean! Here is a rainbow sticker for you!"
What does this picture has to do with genocide?Do you even know the meaning of the word?
28/10/2018 15:56Posted by
Arctur Brennadam didn't pose a threat to the Horde though.
Hence my "would" and "if", as I understand that the justification of it is debatable.
28/10/2018 15:56Posted by
Arctur But the Horde didn't have any evidence that Brennadam was supplying the Alliance with war supplies, only that they were supplying the Admiralty of Kul Tiras, which was still neutral anyway, so they acted out of paranoia and baseless assumptions, whereas the Alliance had a legitimate casus belli to wage war on the Vulpera.
I partly agre,, though I have to say that I can see the reasoning of the Horde. An Alliance ship docked in the Boralus Harbor, and the 7th Legion is organising strikes on Zandalar from Boralus. While there is no definitive proof that the Alliance is being supplied by Kul Tiras, I understand that the Horde would rather be safe than sure of their case. However, like I said, I condemn the way the attack was executed because if you're not sure of your case, you certainly don't surprise-attack a civilian settlement, killing as many innocents as you can in the process.
I understand the Horde's train of thoughts, but that's about it.
Say what now?
btw. Purge Sqaud before
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/411187738520322050/502265123013001221/WoWScrnShot_101718_164053.jpg?width=1084&height=610
Purge squad now: "Destroy their supplies and don't shout anything mean! Here is a rainbow sticker for you!"
I really don't have an idea what you're trying to say. What's your point?
Nobody does, don’t worry.
And nah he needs a dictionary.
I really don't have an idea what you're trying to say. What's your point?
Whenever there is a chance of the Alliance actually doing something mean without further justification, you can bet yourself, someone will cry, and Blizzard will backpaddel instantly and turn the situation as white as it get's.
Cataclysm started good with given motivation for both sides, then Tides of War by Christie Golden happened and retconed the whole war in the Barrens and the alliginces of Theramore. Same thing as WoD retconned Rise of the Horde and Warcraft 3.
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Whenever there is a chance of the Alliance actually doing something mean without further justification, you can bet yourself, someone will ry, and Blizzard will backpaddel instantly and turn the situation as white as it get's.
Yeah, and you know why people aren't ok with the Alliance (and the Horde) doing evil stuff randomly? Because it's bad writing, and because we want the story to make sense. if the Alliance is just going to do evil stuff for the sake of ""moral ambiguity"", you can be sure someone is going to argue that the faction shouldn't be used into a tool for that (not that it really matters, since the factions
are tools, as Blizzard already admitted).
Cataclysm started good with given motivation for both sides
I'd agree if you'd argue that the early Cataclysm storywriting was better, and certainly more morally grey than it is now, but I'm not sure if "I WILL CONQUER KALIMDOR FOR THE HORDE" is such a great justification.
Same thing as WoD retconned Rise of the Horde
Nothing was retconned, it was an alternative universe, Blizzard could do anything as they pleased.
Purge squad now: "Destroy their supplies and don't shout anything mean! Here is a rainbow sticker for you!"
Hands Erevien a rune created chocolate ice-cream cone. Alright! This is a consolation prize from the Ebon Blade.
Nothing was retconned, it was an alternative universe, Blizzard could do anything as they pleased.
No it went from "The Orcs were victims of demonic manipulation by the grand schemer Kil'jaeden!" to "Lmao rofl Orcs had always been trash and evil. Go ahead and kill all of their forces and those iconic Orc leaders of the past you heard about. Death to the (iron) HORDE! Glory to the Alliance!"
if the Alliance is just going to do evil stuff for the sake of ""moral ambiguity"", you can be sure someone is going to argue that the faction shouldn't be used into a tool for that
It's only good if it is the other faction taking the blow of the villan bat right? Thought so.
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. Same thing as WoD retconned Rise of the Horde and Warcraft 3.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Wow... you guys are fantastic!Keep it up.
No it went from "The Orcs were victims of demonic manipulation by the grand schemer Kil'jaeden!" to "Lmao rofl Orcs had always been trash and evil. Go ahead and kill all of their forces and those iconic Orc leaders of the past you heard about. Death to the (iron) HORDE! Glory to the Alliance!"
Yeah, Orcs were always pretty savage and ruthless. When there was even a slight suspicion of the Draenei posing a threat to the Orcs, they started killing ruthlessly without considering other options. Not everything comes down to the "
*sobbing* we were manipulated!"
It's only good if it is the other faction taking the blow of the villan bat right? Thought so.
Yeah, and you know why people aren't ok with the Alliance (and the Horde) doing evil stuff randomly?
I LITERALLY SAID THAT PEOPLE ARENT OK WHEN THE HORDE IS DOING STUFF LIKE THAT AS WELL. Damn it Erevien, do you even attempt to understand my point??????????
No it went from "The Orcs were victims of demonic manipulation by the grand schemer Kil'jaeden!" to "Lmao rofl Orcs had always been trash and evil. Go ahead and kill all of their forces and those iconic Orc leaders of the past you heard about. Death to the (iron) HORDE! Glory to the Alliance!"
Yeah, Orcs were always pretty savage and ruthless. When there was even a slight suspicion of the Draenei posing a threat to the Orcs, they started killing ruthlessly without considering other options. Not everything comes down to the "*sobbing* we were manipulated!"
It's only good if it is the other faction taking the blow of the villan bat right? Thought so.
Yeah, and you know why people aren't ok with the Alliance (and the Horde) doing evil stuff randomly?
I LITERALLY SAID THAT PEOPLE ARENT OK WHEN THE HORDE IS DOING STUFF LIKE THAT AS WELL. Damn it Erevien, do you even attempt to understand my point??????????
No he just doesn’t read posts, this has been shown at least five times today and I’ve pointed it out plenty.
At this point I know not to take him seriously and to just respond to him in a laughing matter to make the situation bareable.
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I LITERALLY SAID THAT PEOPLE ARENT OK WHEN THE HORDE IS DOING STUFF LIKE THAT AS WELL. Damn it Erevien, do you even attempt to understand my point??????????
So? you are a single poster. The majority of the Alliance community seem to back up the mindest of posters like Arctur. Blizzards storyteam, and the Overall Alliance community outside of the story forums, seem to take great enjoy and self fapping, when they see Horde players suffering about the shattered state of the red faction. Try not to take it too personal, I am a salt generator at this point.
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@Erevien, if you don't like the horde, you could join the alliance. I can help you to meet the Locus-Walker ;)
I suppose that there are a few similarities between the attack on Brennadam and that against the Vulpera, but at least the Alliance had the decency to target only the military supplies and avoid hurting civilians, while the Horde mooks were so bloothirsty that they held civilians by their throats and watched them die horribly.
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So? you are a single poster. The majority of the Alliance community seem to back up the mindest of posters like Arctur. Blizzards storyteam, and the Overall Alliance community outside of the story forums, seem to take great enjoy and self fapping, when they see Horde players suffering about the shattered state of the red faction.
I'm not part of the Alliance community, I play Horde. But that doesn't matter, your statement is hardly true since most of us/them just want to see some well-written lore. If they can manage the Alliance to be morally grey
with a good reason for that, they'll be fine with it.
And the same goes for the Horde. Although I must admit that Sylvanas herself always remained in character, it's the "honorable Horde" such as the Tauren, Trolls, contemporary Blood Elves and a part of the Orcs I question.
Try not to take it too personal, I am a salt generator at this point.
Huh, never noticed.
Look Erevien, I’m not even trolling when I handed you an ice cream.
Eat it, relax, come back and relax some more.
I LITERALLY SAID THAT PEOPLE ARENT OK WHEN THE HORDE IS DOING STUFF LIKE THAT AS WELL. Damn it Erevien, do you even attempt to understand my point??????????
Try not to take it too personal, I am a salt generator at this point.
Get a kitten or a puppy then...It ,kinda,works for me.
@Erevien, if you don't like the horde, you could join the alliance. I can help you to meet the Locus-Walker ;)
Hum........... No. The hair of lor'themar is too fabulous.
Typical blizzard. Destroying all nuances after some alliance tears. Arctur is probably fapping right now.
Not really.
In fact, by making them be 7th Legion operatives, they are making it harder for the Alliance faction to disown their actions.
No longer can they claim these were independent squads. Now they fall directly under Halford and Anduin.