The removal of some emotes

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Jesus… seriously.

You cant compare a punch in the face to an emote on the internet. I… am… sorry…

I get you had a tough childhood… and I wont tell you what to do… but if emotes on the internet are a problem you still have a ton of emotional baggage there.

Get it fixed. And until you do I suggest you get away from the internet. Not a safe place to be for people with emotional baggage.

Im honest here.

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And spitting facts. (see what I did there)

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You pay for the internet. And anytime you access ANY webpage, game, service you will find the same thing.

Have you tried commenting something on YouTube? Yish… the responses of some people are just… evil… and clearly there are trolls out there that need to get a life.

But you cant do anything about it. Except… not post in YouTube or read the comment sections… Watch the video, and move on with your life.

Its not a wow issue.

Internet is the way it is. Deal with it.

Its like saying you don’t want fish in the ocean… cant be done…

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That applies to almost anything though. I get fat IRL all the time and I have no problem with what is now called “fat shaming”.

Does that make people who do “woke”? Lots of people are very fat and hate when it gets brought up.

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But why do you keep bringing up IRL situations?

If I fat shame someone. I risk being punched in the face. And every time someone thinks about doing something nasty, he has to judge if its worth a punch to the face or not.

Internet is another world. Another dimension. The only reason to keep people “in check” is just human decency. Thats all.

And you know as well as I do that there are outliers out there with zero empathy. But guess what, until you figure out a way to e-mail punches to the face… there is nothing none of us can do about it.

So stop comparing two different universes.

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The person said anyone who gets easily offended is woke. Therefore if you’re fat and someone calls you fat and that offends you, you’re woke.

I wouldn’t be offended or punch someone who called me fat while I was fat. Why would it upset me?

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Maybe “woke” got over contextualized. Especially in recent times where, to be honest, im not surprised to get this much push back to the concept.

But “woke” is really about asking others to behave differently in accordance to something that isent real. Such as trying to convince us that being fat is somehow healthy and we “should accept it”.

Or, (back to the subject at hand) that the internet is not the place it really is. And /spit dilemma is inconsequential compared to some real issues out there with people that don’t understand what the internet really is.

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Woke is an adjective derived from African-American Vernacular English (AAVE) meaning “alert to racial prejudice and discrimination”. Beginning in the 2010s, it came to encompass a broader awareness of social inequalities such as racial injustice, sexism, and denial of LGBT rights.

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That’s not what OP is saying it is. They’re saying anyone who gets offended is woke.

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I don’t think anyone was even offended by the fart emote. I don’t necessarily think people were ‘offended’ by spit either. Just that it wasn’t pleasant. Don’t get me wrong, some people were clearly offended by spit. It has garnered complaints repeatedly over the years.

The changes were made by Blizzard, not in response to the playerbase but to their own internal discussions with staff.

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I’ve found its meaning has been pretty specific, actually.

It refers to decisions that are made a consequence of ESG funding, and focused on DEI issues.

Some of the below stuff bothers me, while other stuff does not. I am making no comment on that aspect, just explaining what “woke” has come to mean.

Examples:

  • Believing in conspiracy theories that are provably untrue, especially if the conspiracy has supposedly been committed by white men for white men
  • Specifically include and mention LGBT characters even though it doesn’t matter for the story. NOT examples (because it matters to the story): Dumbledore (important to explain why he didn’t fight Grindelwald), Chronormu (actually a lore mistake, but trans allowed avoiding a retcon), various rebirth/possession stories that happen to cause a gender swap as a consequence, e.g. a ghost story where a banshee possesses a man, Agent Smith taking over The Oracle in The Matrix (how can he overwrite every person without transgendering given half the population is women?).
  • Swap a random character’s appearance in direct contradiction to the source material and without serving any plot point. So Black Panther for example is NOT an example - the issue is not black people - but black Ariel is.
  • Generally anti-white and misandrist rhetoric, such as “white male tears are delicious”, using “white privilege” as if it is some sort of world-wide issue and as a pretext to exclude whites from works based on their own cultural heritage.
  • Left-wing extremist talking points becoming central story beats without being portrayed as such - especially if they incorporate misandry and racism. Example might be throwing all whites off a ship because they are white (if there’s another reason this doesn’t apply) and consequently creating a better environment on board being an unavoidable central story point.
  • Portraying transgender women as more feminine than women, or making women look more masculine than their mocab models by giving the final model masculine jaws in spite of the model they are using
  • Trying to tear down and ignoring biological differences between men and women, and flaming anybody who insist they exist on on social media. Fantastic example of this is allowing convicted male felons into women’s bathroom.
  • Tearing down the cultural significance of gender and separating it from biological gender, such as custom pronouns, words like “man” and “woman” being considered offensive, even “male” and “female”.
  • Taking offense for not using pronouns in unintuitive ways, e.g. getting offended at having a different pronoun used towards you than the one you self-identify with, even though reality indicates another would normally be used.
  • Generally lots of Frankfurt School stuff, so basically Marxist interpretations or criticisms of existing works, and especially modifying existing works.

The most recent example is making Tomb Raider no longer about raiding tombs because Lara Croft is white and raiding tombs around the world to bring them to white people museums is unethical.

Yes, to some degree it is, but Lara Croft isn’t a pillar of perfect morality. It’s okay for a video game character to do things that are considered immoral but still be likeable overall.

Hope that helped? For as long as it stays up, anyway.

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Mis-using a term/word is not a new phenomenon.

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Heh, well no. When it’s done a sufficiently often linguists say the word has been “skunked”; but at this point in time I’ve found its use fairly consistent. It probably was skunked at some point though. :stuck_out_tongue: I think it originally referred entirely to conspiracy theorists.

An example of a skunked word is things like “literally”.

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The way I tend to see it, a large portion of people weren’t offended, but more tired of how it was used by people that don’t understand/care for limits.

One thing is killing a player in a match or defeat in a duel and do /spit once

The second thing becomes abnoxious when they kill/defeat a player and spam /spit 100x until their chat box is filled with it or spam it by macroing all of your abilities to include /spit everytime they would use any of the abilities and so forth.

The thing with Asmon, sure might be funny now, but imagine the more “hardcore” players that won’t stop and keep on doing it if not do it worse than what Asmon wanted.

But again, my pov on the subject

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The changes were made by staff. Not as a result of complaints by players. If so /spit would have been removed years ago.

Even though this is all old news now.

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Blizzard employees: we’re being harrased at work
Blizzard: ok, lets remove some of the emotes in game and call them offensive.

This is how Blizzard fix their faces, mostly with bs decissions.

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Partly the case. Woke = everything changing to attempt to make everyone happy. Changing things we’ve had for many years because a majority in this generation are upset / offended by it. Look at Disney for example, and how much they’ve changed the original classics to fit in with the current generation. Look at the backlash the new Romeo and Juliet are getting. We’ve had these emotes since the start, and now a few have changed because some are “upset” about them.

Neither is being laughed at, but they kept that emote in there didn’t they. Not to mention all the other emotes some may find “unpleasant”.

Yeah, the “woke” generation are now Blizzard representatives. :tipping_hand_man:

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I think if you did either of these (especially the second) you could well find yourself in court.
With the farting I think the rubbing up and down on someone could well be considering assault.
Spitting at someone most definitely would be.

/spit and /fart are still in game, just you don’t get “Rub yourself up and down on [target] farting loudly” anymore. Nor do you get X spits at [target].

In any case has there ever been such a meh topic that has gennerated such fuss as the fruit bowl and amending /fart?

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Thats not what it means at all. Not in the dictionary or slang dictionary.

Bonus points for the confidence with which your convey your cluelessness though.

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Totally not getting the point. :tipping_hand_man:

Cool story bro. People know exactly what I mean. It’s a shame you don’t.