Im on a populated PvP Server and i have been searching arenateams with little to no luck.
Made discord posts and searched forums as well. After all this effort I got 1 person to play with, we pushed 400 rating in 10 games, with some jokes and a friendly conversation, I have never seen him since again. He was very unhappy with the Arena PvP system in general.
Arena is almost dead. Thanks to the changes to the PvP system all the casuals lost interest. back in the days you got 300+ Arena Points with 1500 ish rating (your starting point). now you start at 0, and the points you will get is very low. 440 rating ~ 177 Arena Points, 840 ~ 218 Arena Points.
At 800+ you can lose rating and with a positive win loss ratio like 55% - 45% you can simply not reach 1500+ anymore. Unlsess you activate “super grind mode” and play 1k+ arenas. So I get why casuals leave. If you just have fun but lose a lot its like 1 small item a month AND 1 week, if you are decent its 1 big item every 2 months.(back in the days it was 5-6 weeks at a rating of 1550-1600, )
My heart is bleeding, playing arenas was my biggest desire in TBC classic.
I love how systems get touched that nobody wants to be touched. And they do not improve it, they made it worse, thanks for killing the PvP scene.
regards
I’ve seen 1.9k rated teams with barely 55% win rate, and I’ve seen the same winrate on 1400 teams (mine lul)
No idea what happened to the rating, but it seems messed up.
Read on US forum challenger cutoff is 1400 ish which is insanely low.
I thought I knew how arena/rating/points worked but since they changed literally everything I haven’t a clue anymore.
All I know is that I’m not doing arena anymore, not worth unless you’re the top.
In original TBC I was 2070 2v2 rated and I mouseclicked most of my abilities.
Now I am playing just 10 games per week to cap, but everything on keybind, macros etc and difficult to get past 1150. 2000 on retail seems to be a lot easier than 1500 here haha
Playing arena was your biggest desire in TBC classic but now you complain that you have to play a lot of matches to get to a certain rating?
Teams starting at 0 is fine.
Buying a new team to lose 10 games every week would be more casual friendly?
At least we can see what you think of casual players:
Players that are absolutely not interested in pvp but wanting gear for minimal effort.
1.MMR and rating gained/lost is f**ed up
2.TOP classes as Rogues/Mages/Warriors got the ladder
3.Supper unbalanced pretty much no point to play if u r not Rogue or Mage
4.U get ported after arena finished up to the NPC which means if u r in a long que session u cant do anything else instead of afking next to the NPC which is bad
I cant think of more at that point but there is more i am sure…
PS: I know its an old game but think about that we are in 2021 12-13 years difference between the old TBC and TBC classic.THere should a lot more features implemented than these available rn in the game.For example:
1.Dungeon Finder/LFG Arena/BG etc…
2.Arena teams to start from 1500 rating not 0
3.Remove teleportation back to the npc after Arena/BG ends
4.Race Change/Faction Change/Appearance Change/Token
To all the retail haters u may not like it but its way better this way than the old TBC was ty!
I can see, that you don’t understand what im saying. I CAN’T FIND MATES! And the reason many players are gone is listed below. At least thats the reason I keep hearing.
So 1 month into TBC Classic people are complaining that their rating is low after a few games each week in Arena ^^
Should be 2-3 wins for 2200 rating, right? Shame if people acually played for anything else but the destination for once.
Positive win ratios has nothing to do with anything. Winning 1 time over a hard opponent should be more valueable than winning 10 times over AFK people. If you lower your MMR by playing and losing with randoms, then obviously 10 random wins in the bottom barrel cant be equal to a steady progressing team on high ratings meeting better matched opponents doing the same.
1500 is a long way from impossible with anything, and the whole rating requierment has been lowered (compared to TBC) in regards to items etc. Remember, bad teams acually went under 1500 before aswell, it was just a starting point.
Suggestion is to find a player that can play when you can and stick to that person, while improving =)
Are you reading my first statement?! I can’t find anyone to play with. im spamming the server/class discords AND the ingame channels. Retailrating was 2,3k(so im a decent player I guess).
Im struggeling to get to 1,5k, because there is no one to que with.
Have you any idea what the timetable looks like? I can’t manage(and have not talked to anyone that is able) to get the whole set before the next season. I don’t give a damn about how long its takes. And I’m willing to put efford in. Jesus …
Man i am multiclass exped with more than 10 years+ of arena exp and 2500+ rating in almost all of the expansions and now i i am spamming since i got level 70 for a 2s/3s/5s part and cant find anything its super hard to find ppl to play with also ppl wants meta and OP classes for example i play enh sham noone wants to play with me maybe for 5s only which is super rarely to find aswell
There’s plenty of people in the pool that wants to play Arena, its a matter of finding a good match with the same ambition.
I dont know how your root issue of not being able to find a partner somehow is Blizzards fault? Is it their fault that people want instant rewards and dont want to invest? Is it their fault that people blame anybody but themselfs for losing instead of looking inward and improving?
Obviously Arena 2021 will draw less casual players than back in the days, many started TBC for just that and people have had plenty time to figure out if its for them or not.
People doing it for fun might belong more to the groups that wouldnt do it with a random either, since its less pressure to perform and could be a good “in and out” activity with a friend.
I doubt making Arena gear easier to get (which is already the case) and even the old system would change the population of the Arena as it in the end is the same. 2000 rating when everybody is bad equals less rating when people have improved, which is the case if you compared who and how Arenas are played today compared to 2007.
The main reason (imo) for this problem is the honor grind being way too long, and I suspect not operating with the same numbers as in original TBC.
Most people above 1600 (which really isn’t a high rating) are 200-300+ resil, and if you get above 1800, you won’t find anyone that isn’t full bis except for their arena point set.
Obviously, they farmed their stuff during the prepatch with double honor, so if you hadn’t done that, good luck. Your only option is grinding the honor right now, which is REALLY HARD if you’re alliance, and impossible if you’re horde.
Therefore you’ll be forced to play with PvE gear or leveling gear, and you’ll get bullied by 400resi chads regardless of how good you play. No wonder people are quitting when they have 0 chance of competing.
You are struggling to get to 1500 because you arnt very good at arena. Blaming the system is not gonna make it any better for you. You want high rating you have to play good
Im with this guy. I havent struggled that much to get over 1500, im even boosting my friend whose gear is not that good. The thing is that people are better nowadays and im sorry to say but you just have to improve your gameplay. Lets hope blizz keeps the season going for longer than couple months though. And oh yeah, I heard that people back in the days used to call arena gear “welfare gear” cause you could get it with 1500 rating by capping every week without any skills, so I guess youd want that oor?
And ooh yeah, 1 more thing, youre alliance or so it seems. Imagine how horde counterparts feel as they havent even had the chance to grind honor gear to have resil vs the nastiest double dps combos (which are pretty meta atm), so id say you got the tools, but horde players are in a way worse situation without HvH.
Depends a lot on the class, some of them (rogues, mages for example) can do fine without much PvP gear, because when played perfectly, the enemy isn’t supposed to touch you.
However, if you are playing a warlock/healer, or a shadow priest for example, and a rogue opens on you, if you don’t have at the very least 250 resil, you are dead from the opener. Sub 50% hp in cheap shot.
God forbid you happen to que into a warrior team, where you lose 50% of your hp in a randomized mace stun.
From my experience, 3s tend to be more forgiving in this aspect, probably because of the added chaos factor, which I’d imagine goes away above 1800.
I play lock disc priest, my friend has around 100 resil. You can easily get 260+ resil with just the honor gear, which is doable task for an ally player.
This is why I and other people were against them changing the PVP system to a modern retail style, we knew it would drive out the casuals and PVE’ers. But a few people argued against it and instead of a collective “no thanks blizz” we had people fighting for the new system, about how it wasn’t going to ruin arena participation.
No surprise that only the hardcores are interested in Arena right now, and because of the low participation the rating to get weapons (which shouldn’t have rating to begin with) is way out of reach for most. So I hope those guys are happy, Arena is mostly dead. They should revert to the TBC Arena system.
