They can’t, and whilst there is some observable evidence that a handful of people roleplaying together in an area can go on to create greater communities if the area has appeal (Alliance with Stromgarde for e.g.,) the cases of it happening are so widespread in time and rare that I don’t think its a fair observation to make, nor a fair onus to place upon individuals, especially when most of the times it has happened it is either temporary or is maintained by the effort of several guilds rather than individuals.
One could then argue you should make your own guild with your own standards but the decline in RP guild availability as well makes this a difficult and unappealing choice for the quiet majority, especially given the work and effort required on people’s limited free-time to maintain a guild, its quality and its membership.
This is, ultimately, the crux of the situation. The faction imbalance is nigh-on 80/20 exactly in favor of the Alliance on Argent Dawn and if you exclude the majority of the server whom are OOCers then Horde is unlikely to even be 12% overall. There is no short nor longterm solution either from the RP community at large or Blizzard to resolve this issue, save Blizzard slowly doing away with the factions as a whole which. . .is not proving to be the solution people wanted.
It sounds like, rather frankly, you’d have a lot more success finding some enjoyable RP to your quality standard on Alliance just due to the vast increase in RP population you would have at your fingertips, but then this too feeds into a damned-if-you-do damned-if-you-don’t situation with the Horde’s RP population. But that isn’t your concern as an individual and you can only do what is necessary to get the enjoyment you want out of your hobby and spare time.
Well this is the thing. I can only speak to my own experience but one of these guilds was acting like this is perfectly normal, and that there’s a Warlord who reps the Horde ordering them into doing this and I’m stupid for asking how it’d effect the current truce.
All I can do at that point is shrug my shoulders and state the court martial will be funny, then separate myself from the situation lest a whole guild gang up on me and insult me IC for ten minutes, which whilst it doesn’t bother me OOC, it’s not exactly engaging or fun to participate in.
I mean we’re erring into the realm of headcanon here. There’s only evidence of what is observable in game. It’s an Orcish coming of age ritual, it just seems odd to me. But again, it’s fair enough as it’s more productive for RP, I do get it, it’s just a bit off to me, personally.
I have observed Iron Wolf, of which one of their guild members replied, with a fairly low standard of roleplay, a few of which had been around for years. If a Growth Pot user who was clearly inexperienced or new approached me, I’d be happy to help.
Perhaps. But people are also stubborn. I suppose there’s no harm in floating some ideas.
I do have Alliance characters too. - I just like the aesthetic/feel of the Horde more. The Alliance is unfortunately 90% Elves, Humans and Female Draenei, and I find unfortunately Alliance also a fair share more gooners, even in Stormwind than people who actually want to roleplay.
…Not sure how you got to that conclusion, but welcome to feel how you want.
Just want to chime in a last time saying that all RP is headcanon by definition. People are telling their stories in the world and as long as it doesn’t fundamentally destroy the world created by Blizzard, we should be able to be a bit more forgiving just like with the Kosh’harg. Iirc it wasn’t even practiced at all from the destruction of Draenor until the heritage quest, but a small band of orcs RPed by people here on AD continued this tradition regardless during this time and they invited others from the Horde to attend.
In the grand scheme of things, this is not a hill I would die on, nor would many concepts on AD be that bad - unless someone starts a Scarlet kingdom going to war with, say, the Forsaken.
And that’s fine, like I said, it’s just not something that appeals to me as an Orc main and I’d rather people be able to enjoy it as opposed to the individual. That’s all good.
Then I fear that you might not be able to find what you’re looking for. There’s going to be headcanon involved wherever you look (even on Alliance) and if you can’t put yourself past that, then that’s the end of the road.
I don’t mind headcanon, sorry, I just feel like people at this event will make Orcs be in the minority in a place that’s questionable why they’d be there at all. Like I said, it’s good for Roleplaying which is the main thing. Exclusion is not great when numbers on Horde are so low anyway.
I have RPed with people on Horde recently and had zero issue though, it’s just some things I find a bit egregious or not for me.
I dunno about Alliance cause there’s less of you around engaging in this to encounter it and Allianceside, I’ve no one involved in the Alliance military, but Hordeside I’ve had people act poorly when such acts are questioned. Small skirmishes are one thing but there’s literally a post on this forum saying they’re going to remove the Alliance from the Hinterlands. I am unsure how this can be married to the current in game truce and have it make any sense at all. You’re free to do what you want, there’s no beef, as I said, it’s just not for me, I’d prefer a bit normalcy.
As someone who belongs to one of those guilds in that region partaking in a little RP-PvP a couple of times a week, let me explain the current narrative:
A couple of Horde warbands, one of which is led by a crotchety old warmonger who wishes there was still outright war with the Alliance, are butting heads with a band of Lordaeronian extremists who outright do not belong to the Alliance and some high elves who call the region home.
We are not pretending that there is an actual war going on, this is little more than a skirmish on the fringes, far away from any capital city. And as we’ve seen in the Exploring Azeroth books, these skirmishes do still occur, even long after the war has come to an end.
If you want to make it seem like you want to discuss the current state of the Horde in good faith, explain what you want from Horde RP.
And try to avoid clever remarks that avoid the question like “RP that makes sense” or “RP that isn’t stuck in BFA” or “RP that isn’t [thing I don’t like].” What do you actually want from Horde RP? Try to come up with a constructive answer from the question that isn’t just another attack on the current state of Horde RP.
Try to answer the question in good faith and present a list of what you actually want from the Horde’s RP community, without negative comments about the current state of Horde RP. If you are unable to do that, people will conclude that you’re just trying to antagonise what’s left of the Horde community for your own amusement.
If you are looking for a Horde hub (more or less what I am getting from what you are saying), then no, there isn’t one currently realistically operating that I am aware of.
Orgrimmar had in the past some activity but it is a poor hub generally speaking, it looks like a large fortress and not really like a bustling city of Orcs where civilians would live at.
Silvermoon not only stuck in TBC still, it has been suffering greatly from Void Elf introduction and player leak into the Alliance - not to mention it is out of theme with the non-elf Horde
Reality is that sadly Horde does not have really nice and unique hub to RP at.
I would say for Horde elf RPers the closest it comes is Suramar that is infested with hostile NPCs and demons.
Not sure about non-elf Horde RP though… situation is grim as far as general RP hub that fits everyone goes. (Would have been nice if Orgrimmar had a major remake and an Elf district similar to what Stormwind does…).
Hubs are really the center of life for ‘casual’ RP and when you don’t have any good ones + having the lore abuse you it is no surprise that it eventually dies out.
Sorry, and getting annoyed that not everyone subscribes to your circular roleplay that’s been going on since the Rotgarde and Stromic guilds have been doing it since at least Wrath is in good faith? Back then you could be ignored, but now, that’s all that’s left.
You do whatever want, pal. I am not saying don’t. There’s just no alternative other than dripdrops of roleplay in Orgrimmar, and if it’s one of you or the other guilds, if your motives are questioned, you go mental.
What do I want from Horde roleplay? How about a central hub? How about fighting actual threats to Orgrimmar/Horde Lands via roleplay as opposed to creating potential in game political incidents that verge on going against established lore to satisfy the egos of a couple of GMs? People involved in your ‘skirmishes’ are trying to say they’re going to raze Aerie Peak. How the hell does that make a lick of sense?
Not enjoying what you roleplay and wanting to roleplay on the faction I prefer does not mean I am acting in bad faith nor am I trying to amuse myself. I just want an alternative. If that’s bruising to you, then I all I can offer is an apology.
Cool. But I am talking about Tauren, Orc and Horde Troll guilds. What you do in Hinterlands/Arathi is upto you.
The conditions of the current truce you reference couldn’t be more nebulous. Regardless of who is leading these skirmishes or who is involved, anyone who is conscientious enough about it knows that they can claim they’ll wipe the Alliance off the entire Eastern Kingdoms if need be, but will never be able to achieve that. Some warlord claiming to want to rid the Hinterlands of the Alliance would probably not even be a blip on the radar for the Horde, and the Alliance people fighting on the other side know what theyre getting into.
Which would be fine if the guilds in question didn’t then come into Orgrimmar and I expect Stormwind. They are acting against the Horde/Alliance’s political agenda.
I don’t see the harm as long as they aren’t actively rebelling against the Horde for the peace?
The Horde leadership has alot more to worry about than a grumpy warlord who’s fought people not even the Alliance endorses in the middle of nowhere. Especially if said Warlord is still loyal to the Horde and not doing anything greater. It is not far-fetched to think they can let that slide for the moment.
From an OOC view, Orgrimmar is also the one place you will find RP and recruitment options outside of guilds in alot of cases. It makes sense to be there.
We don’t know what this agenda is. We’ve barely had any noteworthy interaction with the consequences/outcomes of the war, beyond the horde now having a council.
The most recent sources all contradict each other, with Exploring Kalimdor still making it seem as if the orcs and the elves are still fighting over Ashenvale. Moreover, a state of complete peace doesn’t get as much engagement as having some conflict in the air -not a full blown war, but skirmishes, as was mentioned often, and bogging things down with details like court marshals and what the current state of the poorly explained truce/armistice/peace is isn’t conducive to interesting RP. The best way to measure this is to look at other expansion stories that also featured some variation of a truce, yet still had the Horde ducking it out.
There’s going to be headcanon involved wherever you look (even on Alliance) and if you can’t put yourself past that, then that’s the end of the road.