"And I say unto thee, look to the skies, for they shall darken. And when they do, a rain of new players, countless beyond your wildest dreams, shall fall and dot the landscape. And when that moment comes, I say unto thee ‘Let Horde RP thrive once more.’ "
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Alternatively we can just capture Alliance RPers. Like Des!
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I ain’t going back to gobbo prison!
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Wasn’t so bad last time I was in there! I got fruit cocktails with those handy forkspoonknives!
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Personally, I inferred that it was tongue-in-cheek when I saw the “cease and desist letters” part and the emoji. Also due to a familiarity with the player, but I don’t think that is necessary to determine that the post was written more or less in a joking manner.
Some characters are abrasive jerks. It’s just the way of things. I’m sorry that you found the encounter unenjoyable and hope that you’ll be able to find other RP that better suits your taste.
That wasn’t my intention, I was trying to point out how you could avoid being seen as a troll, as other people were starting to make that accusation at that point. Some of your behaviour could come across as disingenuous and bad faith, so I tried to offer suggestions that would make your posts seem more cordial and constructive. But again, sorry if that seemed like condescension.
Ultimately, no one has any control over this. I think there are only two paths that lead to this destination:
- Someone creates a community that attracts hundreds of roleplayers and brings them under a single umbrella, that is devoted to rejuvenating RP in locations such as Orgrimmar.
- Blizzard creates a compelling narrative that draws roleplayers back to the Horde and makes them interested in roleplaying Horde characters again, bringing life back to abandoned hubs like Orgrimmar.
The former comes with a bunch of pitfalls and often leads to drama, and the latter lies solely in the hands of Blizzard.
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This is a very longwinded way to start singing “Hallelujah it’s raining men”.
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Wait, you were in there too?
Anyhow, first time around wasn’t so bad, they even invited Des to a barbecue.
Second time though they locked Des in a cell with a hobgoblin who used him as punchingbag, and dragged him through the entirety of Kul Tiras on his bare feet. Even the snow.
Anyway, I probably derailed thread enough now.
Come to mine instead 
I initiated this thread in frustration, but at no point was I trying to pick a fight or frustrate/anger anyone for doing something. And I may have done that, so again, to yourself or anyone else, I am sorry I came at this a bit terse and pointed. I have played this game since I was in my late teens, I think being a stickler for some things is a bad way to go about things.
You are right of course, there’s not much me, you or anyone else can do to remedy this situation outside the devs themselves. But Roleplayers are the forgotten man of WoW so I’m not holding my breath.
I will try and engage those who partake in skirmishes out in the Eastern Kingdoms with a bit more care, and even if there’s IC crossed words, I should probably try and garner worthwhile RP out of it.
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On the point of a community and bringing the players under a single umbrella? That happened on the Horde and it wasn’t a good time. (I’m sure we all know who I’m talking about)
Dearly hoping the next community isn’t just the same with a new coat of paint.
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What was that? sharpens blade.
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This is a bit funny to me because this has all happened before.
After the Siege of Orgrimmar ended and the first round of proper truce RP began, I had the exact same stance that OP now has. As per the lore, there was a truce in place and I refused to take part in any faction skirmishes for that reason. If memory serves, the majority of RP guilds continued to do RP-PVP and other faction-related RP despite what the lore said. It was so frustrating to me.
I understand wanting to respect the lore, hell, we all should, but I actually regret that I took a stand back then because I missed out on so much great and memorable roleplay. This time around, I’m just going to have fun and do what I want to do. If I want to kill humans in Arathi on my orc, then that’s what I’m going to do and I welcome any consequences brought on me through roleplay.
That’s not to say we should all just throw our hands up in the air and just not care about any lore we don’t like, but on this particular matter… in Warcraft RP I want to be able to fight Alliance on my orc. I’ve done so this past year and it’s honestly been so much fun. I’d recommend this to anyone.
I would be surprised if Blizzard even cares. They’ve certainly not proven to respect the lore we as roleplayers, in a perfect world, all should abide by a 100%. I don’t think 20 Horde players fighting 20 Alliance players is going to turn the world upside down.
Because of the fun I’ve had, I’d actually encourage people to do as some of us do, and continue to do skirmishes both small and big. But if you want to respect the truce a 100%, that’s fine too. I would love to deal with that through RP though. Call my orc a warmonger and an idiot. It’s all RP in the end.
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Unless something major stops him, Shog’ganosh will be going to the Kosh’harg to clear his head and gain a better understanding of his people. You are welcome to interact with him there and criticise his involvement in these skirmishes, should your character learn of it. Like I said before, I welcome these interactions. Shog’ganosh is a young orc and I appreciate anything that gives him an opportunity for introspection and personal development.
Though you might not approve of the fact that a lot of non-orcs may be attending the event, the Kosh’harg is going to be one of the biggest sources of Horde RP that we will get for the next six months, so I hope that you attend anyway.
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I think it’s worth mentioning that in the grand scheme of things the skirmishes aren’t exactly local warbands of 300+ forcing attrition on a locale. It’s at best, Bob and his ten mates making a ruckus. Stealing some livestock, killing an underprotected merchant.
Genuinely seen bigger ‘Battles’ at a Wetherspoons.
Are the factions gunna take notice of it? Who knows. There’ll be some notice on someone’s desk maybe and a wanted poster thrown up with Bob (and his gang’s) face on it in the locale. The Alliance isn’t going to crack Hogger and his gnolls with the might of their military for the same reason they wont crack Aerilen and a handful of fellow miscreants if they were to ambush some silver hand and skedaddle into the night.
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I’m not sure if we are on the same page, but I did have quite the good RP happen during that time, solely because I am able to differentiate between IC and OOC.
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well i mean it’s spoons, if they run out of bitter, it’s carnage, more than anything on wow could represent
I’ll probably give it a crack despite my misgivings, and bear in mind, I do feel despite my misgivings, I think it’s ultimately way better for big Horde involvement as opposed to trying to be (Debatably) more authentic.
I do not roleplay on this character, I’m just using him here as I think people might form opinions on my actual Orcs based on what I’ve said here. But I’ll probably be about.
I’m real glad you got to have a great time during those days!
Sadly for me, a lot of IC actions taken against me clearly bled into OOC for a long time, sometimes aimed at me, sometimes aimed at everyone - to be as obnoxiously in everyone’s face as possible to the point of disrupting the RP needlessly.
I ended up faction changing most of my Horde characters because of it.
I feel you definitely had a point with the Kosh’harg, though.
I just want to add that I actually felt like my own roleplay experience and such was being
pushed aside with their own idea of Kosh’harg and the Honournames having to be given there no matter what. A server canon I actually felt quite…aggressive, if I can put it any way.
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I am glad to see that both these roleplayers and yourself have managed to talk things out of a situation that was seemed to be frustrating you quite a bit. I hope that your roleplay goes smoothly in the future.
Having said that, I do think that some of your criticism is valid - but perhaps, not in the sense you might have originally directed it to. While I do agree with many here that RP-PVP and skirmishes are absolutely doable, there are a few things related to some of your concerns that I have noticed myself.
The first thing I have noticed is that some people are very ‘vague’ about what it means to be a part of the Horde, and rather ignore what actual races are in it, and what their relationship with the Horde and the races within it is.
To put an example of this, I would call back to instances in my roleplay where my undead character has been asked about the reason for why an undead would be in such a location by a Witherbark troll in Hammerfall, a fort that has been fighting the Witherbark since Vanilla, whose widely known co-commander is a Forsaken; or the instance where in Conquest Hold, Drakkari trolls amongst other non-Horde trolls hung out in the site as if the Horde would somehow allow this, right next to rows of caged NPCs of Drakkari prisoners.
This first issue I think can be largely attributed to a second issue that is actually related to some of your concerns about RP-PVP skirmishes; the roleplay community’s sense of scale. It’s really hard to consider some self-assigned RP-PVP skirmishes as such when some of the characters partaking in them have been commented both IC and OOC to be the only military force in a canonically Horde-controlled region, for example.
I have seen people, both in-character and out-of-character, state that their guilds somehow were in a position of unquestionable influence or power, all because there are no guilds to tell them or act otherwise. There’s been a mentality of ‘if it isn’t roleplayed and their numbers aren’t bigger, we can do as we please’, which, to me, has destroyed my immersion several times to the point of having ditched several roleplay spots because roleplayers that depict the world as such started appearing in there.
If Argent Dawn were Horde-majority and with few Alliance roleplayers, in an inverse situation of what Argent Dawn is at the moment, it would be as if I made a Defias & Syndicate guild and started hanging out in Lakeshire with a group of 20+ people altogether - and, when pointed out by the few players that play Alliance that it’s irrefutably canon-breaking as hell, I would simply tell them to make a guild, and bring it up IC; or to, better yet, point out in the canon where Lakeshire has explicitely said that Defias and Syndicate members aren’t allowed to occupy the town.
It’s an idea of a world of characters that are self-aware that they are roleplay characters in a roleplaying game. It’s an idea that goes against the very notion of immersion and roleplaying. It’s the kind of thing you would expect out of someone roleplaying in a custom Grand Theft Auto server, not someone acting to be invested in a fantasy world only to ignore its lore in its entirety because ‘it’s going to be retconned again anyway’, as if you shouldn’t clean your hands before eating because they’re going to get dirty again.
So, yes, I think some of your concerns do have grounds to stand on.
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Incase someone have forgot, or maybe allready mentioned.
Last year there was two seperate Kosh’harg taking place.
One was intended to celebrate it as it is currently depicted in lore. As a orc celebration for orcs and their clans. Other races were of course welcome to feast and socialice and take part in some of the clan activites such as brawls. The rest was made for the orcs only. It was real fun and it worked out for everyones joy.
A week or two after this, there was another Kosh’harg in Nagrand that followed the more server tradition of the celebration in Garadar where everyone was welcomed and could take part in all activities.
All in all, People have fun. You dont have to follow the lore 100% like a zealot to make it fun.
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