The State of Horde RP

Perhaps do not condescend in your initial post, and it won’t lead to the interpretation that I came to.

One of my characters inquired as to why Orcs were fighting Dwarves in Arathi and was labelled an idiot who should know his station. I do not enjoy interminable roll battles or trying to debate an entire guilds dogma on my own. It’s not fun.

Which is fair, but it’s not unfair to want to aspire to being that again.

I’ve heard similar from characters in game. How am I supposed to infer it’s tongue in cheek then? Do you think the Horde would accept members doing this with no consequence?

Don’t the Chronicles have good info on the state of any skirmishes? Can someone confirm?

The Chronicles haven’t touched on recent events yet. That’ll be later this year.

But that is still IC though? I don’t mean this to be rude, but if someone is treating you poorly ICly, that should not reflect an OOC interaction, you should not take offense for it.

It could be their character is a brash a-hole. That doesn’t mean they are OOC.

What do you want, Bulletchewer? Could you write out an outline for the next Horde RP event you would like to see?

1 Like

Sorry, that wasn’t the intention. Feel free to point out where the condescension was, and I’ll try and avoid that language in the future.

9 Likes

We have a few sources from other books but they’re all deeply contradictory to one another in some cases so when people say that the entire state of the factions is nebulous that’s putting it very lightly. Thrall in Shadow’s Rising says he personally dealt a good ol’ Orgrim hammer-to-the-head of every traitor, but then we have some in-game going to jail, or being let free by Baine, then we have mentions of skirmishes meanwhilst Velen gives Rexxar and Zekkan the all-clear to come visit the Alliance lands of Kalimdor, and Shaw and Flynn visit a few Horde cities.

It is, truly, utterly, nebulous, because all of it is so contradictory we can only do our best to. . .do what we can really until we get something defined.

Oh well.

For now then, I’m sure there’s minor skirmishes from time to time, none causing any political upheaval, like a group of ten versus ten (not a reference). But largely I believe the Horde and Alliance have both had their fill of tragedies and death following BFA and finally Amirdrassil’s move to the physical realm.

If some groups loose from the armies for instance go punch one another, I’d say go for it. Plenty of hate left!

Nah, not all of us have the memory of a goldfish. Maybe some of us even prefer constant conflict over peace!

I’m going to trust the future Chronicles with Metzen being the narrative director again. Stories without him were all SO disconnected.

It’s more the fact, at any point in time, they’re the only people in Orgrimmar on such an occasion, my choices are to engage in an RP argument, or a roll fight, neither which appeal. So I have to stand on my own or /camp.

I’m not offended OOC, but it certainly makes the will to roleplay wane.

Hah! Is that a reference to your name? :smiley:

You assumed my intent. I’ve been nothing but cordial outside of yourself in this thread, because I felt a bit spoken down to about me acting in bad faith. I assure you, I am not after pissing anyone off or dictating how people should or shouldn’t roleplay. I said above, people pay their subs and shouldn’t feel like they have to do anything.

I perhaps was a bit too terse and confrontational with yourself and for that I offer a sincere apology.

1 Like

I can understand that, but I think your grievances are misplaced though. It’s not their fault for being there or being one of the few choices you have available.

They can’t be blamed for the lack of other things that might interest you more, they are just doing the thing they like. Which is fine if you dislike.

I believe I’ve outlined what I want. Casual RP. Central RP hub. Less messing about with Alliance. More Horde pop in general.

I do not blame these people for being there, they’ve as much right as me.

However, I am advocating for alternatives in this thread. I never meant to infer as much as anyone should RP how I want. I’ve stated things I don’t feel make sense to me, but I never said SO THEY SHOULD STOP DOING THAT. (Caps for giving the impression I’d be getting mad or shouting!)

It’s just a bit unfortunate as I love Horde RP, I love RPing an Orc. Maybe I cut a frustrated figure, but I genuinely mean no harm.

1 Like

Then I apologise for reading into that. Thank you for clarifying!

I probably haven’t worded stuff the best in the thread. Including the caps there, it’s all good. :slight_smile:

1 Like

I would prefer if you’d focus on constructive feedback rather than attack other guilds.

You have been very clear in what you dislike. Can you elaborate more on what you’d like to see instead? I think we should focus more on that, rather than trying to attack other guilds.

6 Likes

As of yet there’s no solid detail on what the truce is. Chromie said that she believes it will take many years for any of the skirmishes such as Warsong Gulch and Ashenvale to end. It’s also remarked that the Horde and Alliance are making a start towards peace, they’ve not achieved global peace, just enough to end the all out war and fighting when they have bigger problems. There’s definitely grounds for Horde to be fighting Alliance here and there usually over the classic core conflicts over things like resources for settlements, old grudges or simple war mongering. Let’s remember that the Horde and Alliance are not all seeing and all knowing, they can’t stop and police every conflict that arises, all that’s happened now is that when you’ve fought a war campaign you shouldn’t expect a fanfare back home in Orgrimmar.

As for hub RP, that died to major conflicts between guilds on Horde side, the introduction of High Elves/Void Elves to the Alliance and some very chaotic guilds who liked to yell, recruit strange stuff like Nerubians and ERP publicly sweeping the Valley of Honour at one point and just driving everyone away.

People retreated into guilds and although people have tried to set up hubs it’s hard going because it’s hard to keep Horde players engaged, especially with the community being even smaller now, old grudges still holding and the old problems such as there being no hub that fits all of the races of the Horde existing.

As for people not RPing to your standard, you can never have community RP and absolute perfection, everyone is RPing different characters in the end and has different views on RP. If you want everyone to RP together and have vibrant hub RP Stromgarde or Lakeshire style you’re going to need to lower your expectations of others. Of course you should always try to avoid what happened to Orgrimmar happening in your hub but you very much have to be your own standard of RP and hope that other people who share your views will gravitate towards you, but not isolate everyone else.

Community building, as I’ve said in the neutral hub thread, comes with many many problems. You have to have multiple guilds willing to stay in one place for long periods of time, you need to organise those guilds and resolve points of contention between each other, and the biggest issue for Hordies, you have to find a place everyone can enjoy.

Crossroads seemed great thematically, it’s the signature Horde location, but it fell to the issue of theming heavily to Orcs, Trolls and Tauren and leaving out the Elves, Forsaken and Goblins. You could fix that with Ratchet for Goblins and maybe Forsaken, but you still don’t have anything for Elves. You’ve also got to note that Orgrimmar is ugly as anything and feels like a giant barracks, most of the Horde settlements are still sparse and low poly and the most recent Horde settlements Blizzard paid a shred of detail to making them HD and detailed are Zuldazar and Hammerfall. One is on an island isolated and the other is in Arathi with the usual Orc settlement issue, and sadly that selection just doesn’t hold a candle to Boralus, Stromgarde, Gilneas and Amirdrassil that are all interesting and detailed locations. That will be the issue forever unfortunately until Blizzard decide to stop directing all of the worldbuilding at the Alliance. But it will take a good few guilds agreeing to get anything sizable going at this point rather than just hoping a load of new Horde RPers will drop out of the sky.

Looks up and hopes.

14 Likes

I may not have worded everything as well or eloquently as I’d of liked but I have only ‘attacked’ when I’ve felt attacked myself, people don’t have to agree with me, but they do not need to get sarcastic or passive aggressive, I also do not have a bunch of guilds to back my opinions.

I’ve posted things I think would be an improvement a few times, but I will repeat.

Alternatives, social roleplaying, casual roleplaying, less conflict with the alliance rp given the current climate in game, establishing of a hub. Things to that effect.

1 Like