The weekly "Power in RP and how to get other people's consent for it thread"

[Koiffen-argent-dawn (Koiffen)]

You get publically shamed for trying to be reasonable, that’s what.

[Tehya-wildhammer]

@Scorchbraid-argent-dawn

Seems staying away isn’t an option if they decide that your RP is anti-Sylvanas and needs to be stopped.

People keep saying this and Rotbois keep replying the exact same thing.

“If you aren’t comfortable with it just say it and we’ll go our merry ways”

I dunno it seems like a very easy concept but apparently it’s rather complex.

[Vilesun-argent-dawn (Vilesun)]

Oh, log out of your account on the browser and back in. Or log on the old forums and log out and back in or something.
I had that issue with my guild tag.

[Atahalni-argent-dawn (Atahalni)]

I’ll be completely honest when I’m saying that I was 100% oblivious to the fact that some people RP’d with the Whiteclaw because they didn’t want to RP with us- Considering the amount of confrontation and spy RP it inspired on both sides.

I thought the distaste was completely IC, before this/the other thread.

But that’s not something to apologize for. At any given point these people could have said “I don’t want to RP with you” but they didn’t.

Stygian Legion RP with a lot of folks and groups that mostly stay away from us- But we have great RP nevertheless, I guess it’s me assuming the best out of the confrontation beforehand.

[Scorchbraid-argent-dawn (Scorchbraid)]

@Vilesun-argent-dawn

Oh, log out of your account on the browser and back in. Or log on the old forums and log out and back in or something.
I had that issue with my guild tag.

Danke Schön

[Taxania-argent-dawn (Taxania)]

@Dudflex-argent-dawn

But what if I want to RP with both the Stygies and the anti-Stygies because I don’t care about ooc politics?

Then you’re going to be the source of a four-hundred-post thread on the AD forums when your interaction with both sides eventually leads to those two sides interacting with each other. Duh.

[Mion-argent-dawn]

Hey, Rogmasha.

What do you think?

[Dreadbore-argent-dawn (Dreadbore)]

@Yasmyr-argent-dawn

There’s also a sense, deliberately fostered or not, that "if you don’t do things our way you’re a bad RPer, because your only options now are Comply or Break Character / Continuity and that second thing is awful.

We use OOC communication as a means of resolving a situation that can’t be properly handled IC for whatever reason, preferring to resolve any other character interactions IC as it leads to a more engaging experience overall. If you feel it should be another way, I don’t really know what to say except I’m sorry we don’t accommodate you.

@Yasmyr-argent-dawn

If a group has gone out of its way to remove itself from your vicinity and run alternate plot somewhere else, maybe… just let them?

I don’t think this is a fair assessment of Whiteclaw. It may have been this to some extent and for some people, but we also have records of characters (chiefly Rogmasha) planning the group as a means of assassinating key members of the Legion and using the Whiteclaw as a replacement power structure in the Horde. If a fugitive runs, should our characters just ignore them? Not unless we are asked not to.

[Kozgugore-argent-dawn (Kozgugore)]

@Atahalni-argent-dawn

Bubble RP wasn’t an insult. That was a statement- Now you can argue whether I’m wrong about that, but having seen your group skipping clear of most/all server events or initiatives save for a few events, I’d argue that point holds water.

An incorrect statement, at that. Just because we didn’t RP with any of the communities you may have been involved in, does not mean we failed to interact with the rest of the server. Once more, though, I fail to see what that even had to do with the ongoing discourse.

@Atahalni-argent-dawn

Dishonest is about the fact that your guild has on several occasions meta’d information and engaged in RP with us- Even when making it absolutely clear that you don’t in fact want to RP with us.

Made this clear how, exactly? I believe the opposite is true: We have been told several times that certain individuals from the SL did not want to interact with us, bordering on sheer attempts to ignore us. Which is entirely their choice, but we have made no such attempts.

As for meta-ing several times? I have been informed of one occasion in which we were accused of such a thing. Yes, accused. Because upon clarification, I was informed by several parties that said individual involved actually had acted upon information acquired IC. You are free to make of that what you will, but calling me dishonest just because someone else is accused of meta-gaming is, frankly, over the top.

@Atahalni-argent-dawn

Vagueposting because you can’t pinpoint your issue (because there is no credible issue, as pointed out) and because you fail to point out who have done wrong, but rather go “some have done wrong”, like that’d be somehow better. Spit it out, get it over with.

I literally stated that it is the traveling hub organizers rather than the SL who should be looked towards here. Once more, I fail to see what grievous issue you see in my post to make such an accusation.

@Atahalni-argent-dawn

Disingenuine because when the floor from your argument (the traveling hub question) is stripped from it, the only reason why’d you post about it is to go exactly how Gobbert showcased it “I’m not one to comment, but…” on the people/group

Failure to argue, as pointed out, for the validity of your viewpoints.

The main argument I sought to posit was to clarify that my guild (despite not even being involved in the ambush and its consequences) and other Discord communities that were mentioned hardly did any smack talking in the wake of this whole ordeal that happened in Highmountain. I have stated once before that it is irrelevant to me whether or not said communities’ concerns regarding the traveling hub’s plans being thrown under the bus was founded or not. But it was the primary topic being discussed within the communities that are being accused of smack talking. You saw fit to focus purely on that point, yes, but it was never a matter that was even in question to me. It was, by definition, not my viewpoint.

[Levey-argent-dawn (Levey)]

Personally, I find the dynamic between opposing groups compelling and think that people who can’t not make politics out of it OOC need to take a shower.

But hey, I RP’d a kor’kron last time the Horde split so maybe I’m a baddie?

[Rogmasha-argent-dawn (Rogmasha)]

My own thoughts on the matter have been posted above (and apologies on my behalf given in relevant places) already.

See:

The weekly "Power in RP and how to get other people's consent for it thread"

I’d say there was also an issue of communication to address (although the relevant parties have been over that already), whether that’s particularly anyone’s fault is up in the air, but I can take that one on my mantle gladly. As mentioned above; Kotur did have a lot of things planned out for our (and the other some 30+ that planned on showing over the week-long) stay; and I can understand he’s a little miffed at having to shelve that for an indeterminate amount of time. Should I have told …

The weekly "Power in RP and how to get other people's consent for it thread"

It wasn’t widely known to the 200+ people we’ve been organising this with, and such an encounter was not organised and not communicated to me, nor to our host as of when the encounter took place (Kotur). And, again, while I’m personally fine with that, I can empathise with the hosts who’re frustrated to see the writing and planning they’ve done go up in smoke. It was indeed stated as the purpose of the initiative to try and avoid those big clashes that would present themselves by having us (an…

The weekly "Power in RP and how to get other people's consent for it thread"

I’m on a train so can’t reply much, but ftr I’m not sure what is being referred to as contact here. I’ve mostly been talking things over with Pullo, and I think the only direct contact between the two of us was to resolve a situation where parties who’d rather try to avoid each other ended up in confrontation. None of this (except the aftermath of capture) has been discussed with me, which I’m personally fine with and state as much. I can understand other people (people who’d specifically been…

I’ve not really gotten anything else to contribute in this discussion since I wasn’t the wronged party; if anything I appear to have been the source of the miscommunication.

In general I’m pretty flexible as a player so I mould and adapt to circumstances as they are, and I don’t particularly fall to either “side” of the argument.

@Dreadbore-argent-dawn

but we also have records of characters (chiefly Rogmasha) planning the group as a means of assassinating key members of the Legion

This is likely IC disinformation (which is cool!), just a head’s up.

[Jesaline-argent-dawn]

Really the only thing this thread has taught me is to avoid Rotgarde as a guild. Seriously, virtually every one of their members has been showing nothing but rudeness and full-blown egoism in here.

[Mion-argent-dawn]

Well.

There you all have it.

Let’s go and play!

[Dudflex-argent-dawn (Dudflex)]

@Jesaline-argent-dawn

rudeness and full-blown egoism in this thread.

Funny, the way I see it, both sides are offenders in being rude and having bloated egos. None of you are saints.

[Yasmyr-argent-dawn (Yasmyr)]

@Dreadbore-argent-dawn

I don’t think this is a fair assessment of Whiteclaw. It may have been this to some extent and for some people, but we also have records of characters (chiefly Rogmasha) planning the group as a means of assassinating key members of the Legion and using the Whiteclaw as a replacement power structure in the Horde

Oh hey, and we’re back to talking about OOC communication and managing expectations (and throwing criticism at people who aren’t the PCU for good measure, how’s about that?).

That wasn’t the sense most of us had OOC, I don’t think, hence the generally aggrieved feeling. And yes, I appreciate the line between “IC twist in which characters were ICly mislead” and “OOC mismanagement of expectations” is a horrible one to have to draw, but I don’t think that makes people feel any better about it, y’know?

If (garbled metaphor incoming) you’ve chosen to go on a trip somewhere that doesn’t have lions, because you absolutely do not want to see a lion, “Surprise! This Airplane is full of Lions!” is going to leave a bad taste in the mouth.

[Warhost-argent-dawn]

@Scorchbraid-argent-dawn

Wasn’t the point of the Whiteclaw stuff to stay away from the Stygians for a lot of people? Just sticking to less used zones and having more traditional Horde RP.

Maybe they picked the wrong community when it plays host to anti-Sylvanas / anti-PCU avid guerillas who like to poke the bear and then act surprised when they get mauled.

Whether the figureheads condone this behavior or prohibit/ignore it (Such as Kozgugore’s outbursts that are basically Shonn’s PR shenanigans just without the ERP angle at this point) isn’t entirely relevant, given how there’s always one levelheaded pillar who is great to cooperate with.

[Jesaline-argent-dawn]

Funny, the way I see it, both sides are offenders in being rude and having bloated egos. None of you are saints.

I’m looking but I really can’t find any of what you’re saying. Sure, some others have been doubling down on their frankly ridiculous takes about the whole thing, but I can only see Rotgarde members being actively hostile. Their GM, doubly so, it seems he can’t make a post without calling someone ‘inconsequential’ or insulting their intelligence. Not the best of traits for a guild leader.

[Kozgugore-argent-dawn (Kozgugore)]

Ah yes, an outburst. I am literally seething with emotion. Cower before my passion.

[Syanidi-argent-dawn (Syanidi)]

@Jesaline-argent-dawn

Their GM, doubly so, it seems he can’t make a post without calling someone ‘inconsequential’ or insulting their intelligence. Not the best of traits for a guild leader.

Yet the guild is still running

[Kaytlinne-argent-dawn (Kaytlinne)]

You are quite welcome, Atahalni 120 Tauren Priest.