The weekly "Power in RP and how to get other people's consent for it thread"

[Rogmasha-argent-dawn (Rogmasha)]

A good read: On the Application of Power (in roleplay) by Dampierre

Taking discussion away from here:

[H(/N?)-RP] A Roaming Hub - Session Three - Durotar's Heat! 🏜️

UPDATE! The Roaming hub has started up again, free to join and tag along with, and engage for whoever’s interested. For ease of communication, rather than pointing people towards a forum thread every time regarding maps, who’s hosting which events etc., I’ve gone ahead and set up a Discord that anyone partaking in the project can join. You can prod me at WorriesDK#2020 for an invitation or get in touch with me in-game. As it stands, looks like we’re going to Desolace next! Current prime…

[Atahalni-argent-dawn (Atahalni)]

Bahala I’ve made you proud

[Zeepkist-argent-dawn (Zeepkist)]

So when do we start shooting Vulpera to turn Vol’dun into our next exile zone? The Southfury River is getting pretty full…

[Liltheris-argent-dawn]

It turns out that people who RP blatantly illegal actions don’t like facing consequences for their IC actions, or understand that if you don’t wish to be executed, don’t RP being a traitor or heritic, etc. It’s always how this discussion is. (Not saying this is what your group is doing, Rogmasha, just a general example. Really enjoyed the RP I got to have with your group, seeing as my time to RP Lil isn’t exactly in abundance right now. <3)

[Gobbert-argent-dawn (Gobbert)]

dude i wish the server starts arguing about me right now

[Mion-argent-dawn]

Very interesting stuff. I mostly skimmed through it because it’s generally common sense to me when I approach role-play.

If I had to tl;dr it, the bottom line is, power is a relative construct and openly adaptable to the observer in any given situation. In terms of narrative, there are circumstances where even a ‘brick’ might be able to kill an entity such as Deathwing, if the conditions are correct.

It’s why I never take ‘omg he so stronk in rp so how do I fit in?? this breaks my immursun’ seriously. If someone is claiming they have a high amount of authority, it’s ultimately up to my character how they perceive that, and if someone is presenting their character as being able to lift buildings with a single finger, again, that’s up to me how I approach that/etc.

Of course, ‘power levels and authority/etc’ don’t come up often in social RP or when they do it’s usually quite laughable. Your average bout of social RP in Stormwind can quickly lead to a punch 'em up between a furbolg and a demon hunter wearing bunny ears.

I’ll be doing a thread on this myself at some point.

[Morsteth-argent-dawn (Morsteth)]

Hm based comment and not even paid for

[Bahala-argent-dawn (Bahala)]

@Perroy-argent-dawn

It was at around 9:30pm - 10pm with many people online on both sides - with the attack being telegraphed by a much smaller group of rogues unsuccessfully attacking first (to act as a kind of OOC warning)

that isn’t really a “kind of OOC warning”

A “kind of OOC warning” would be to whisper the event hoster / Rogmasha to inform them of you and your guild’s plans. A bunch of people showing up unannounced, attacking during an event they’re doing doesn’t sound like an out-of-character warning, but I know you might get the two mixed up / confused.

doesn’t seem v. hard to me personally to toss someone a /w before you bullrush into a bunch of people’s events and make a lot of people unhappy because it felt forced and awkward to be the recieving end of.

[Dreadbore-argent-dawn (Dreadbore)]

Authority wise, we’re cautious to ensure that we’re not forcing authority without people’s consent. My character is, objectively speaking, a Pretty Big Deal - Dark Ranger, Forsaken military officer etc etc etc - but if you’re not in the Forsaken military (and particularly not in his unit) he doesn’t have any particular authority over a given character, except what comes through roleplay.

It’s always odd seeing people clearly giving my character credit for his position and then complaining that he leverages the authority that that position gives.

[Kaytlinne-argent-dawn (Kaytlinne)]

Seriously, how do y’all anti-PCU folk expect to be taken seriously when you act like rabid dogs with a total lack of a grip on reality, pulling out of thine posterior just to keep arguing?

Perroy is a babe.

Like, I’m sure the’re a decent person in person? And they do a lot of creating RP (and drama :P) for AD.

Part of the problem, I’m pretty sure, stems from the “I don’t care what people think” attitude and over-use of memeing (And that’s not aimed at any one person, this seems to be a group thing). Like, sure, you can do what you want. Just don’t say “People are not being reasonable, omg” when there hasn’t been a respectful dialogue both ways? It’s not that much of a leap to realise that, tbh.

Also, Rog is a saint and people do not deserve them

[Tehya-wildhammer]

that isn’t really a “kind of OOC warning”

I disagree, that sounds like a very clear warning, considering that FP is likely well aware of the rotgarde’s numbers. Even a certain outlaw altposter was more subtle than that.

[Matheson-argent-dawn (Matheson)]

I’m seeing a bunch of nerds who seem completely unrelated to anything just jumping on the chance to bash the fas- I mean, the rotgarde. As per usual whenever they do literally anything.

Legit. There’s a load of people here arguing on behalf of somebody who doesn’t even agree with their view. This has absolutely nothing to do with any of you and the actual IC situation has long since been quite amicably resolved - it’s quite literally jumping on the anti-Rotgarde bandwagon, and it’s embarrassing.

[Morsteth-argent-dawn (Morsteth)]

Your argument is sadly just rotten @ the core because you understand the AD role play as multiple, isolated instances taking place unrelatedly at the same time that need mediation whenever they could come close to each other

[Zenys-argent-dawn (Zenys)]

Perhaps people that weren’t involved in the whole ordeal at all should simply stop feeling the need to complain for the side they see “wronged” here when they themselves (in this case Rogmasha) doesn’t see an issue with it.

As someone from the outside of this whole thing, I’ve seen the rebel RPers and Stygian Legion interact each other over several month, undoubtedly creating loads of RP for each other. Instead of using this as some kind of ammo (its not like they imprisoned the whole movement), only the leader that was wanted for the killing of a grunt was taken prisoner. They now have the amazing opportunities to escalate their Rebel RP from here or go any other direction. Their RP wasn’t killed at all.
I’m sure if either side didn’t want anything like this to happen (which was really inevitable), they would have cut contact a long time ago.

OOC vendettas at work here once again. At least it looks that way.

[Mion-argent-dawn]

Sometimes I wonder what the state of role-play would be like if we all just disbanded every guild and played together as individuals.

Or I dunno, people could just stop guild shaming?

[Dreadbore-argent-dawn (Dreadbore)]

People have been ‘ffs rotters’-ing for nearly 10 years now. We’re used to it.

[Perroy-argent-dawn (Perroy)]

Rogmasha isn’t a thief, she’s the leader of a clan. Weird analogy.

Well, the reason the grunts are after Rogmasha is because she was in command of a group that killed a grunt / hosted meetings that had anti-Sylvanas plotting (as per the war crimes book the leaders of groups are liable for their underlings on Azeroth? Gonna need a powerful loremaster like Telaryn to confirm, I haven’t read that book…)

@Kotur-argent-dawn

And what is my track record supposed to mean friend? And I believe that you yourself can confirm that i did not take any OOC into IC last night and have RPed along as my character naturally would, separating IC from OOC.

You tend to be quite invested in roleplay / take it a bit personally and don’t really like setbacks so much - or that’s what I take from your forum posts / that Ashiraya vs Uruk argument a while back

It’s true that you didn’t react badly at the time in-game but I think you had a pretty quick OOC response in various chats that wasn’t mega pleasant

@Bahala-argent-dawn

that isn’t really a “kind of OOC warning”

Sure it is - it is doing something IC with an OOC intention to fail / tip someone off both IC/OOC that there may be some kind of conflict coming

@Bahala-argent-dawn

A “kind of OOC warning” would be to whisper the event hoster / Rogmasha to inform them of you and your guild’s plans.

I wasn’t attending any event and Rogmasha was (I hope) aware that they were wanted & being actively hunted given the public wanted poster thread, previous conflicts, the OOC knowledge that some Rotgarde-affiliated guys had been snooping around

@Bahala-argent-dawn

doesn’t seem v. hard to me personally to toss someone a /w before you bullrush into a bunch of people’s events

Yet I have seen you get into plenty of conflict RP and have never seen you send any OOC pms to confirm that what you’re doing is OK

I’m not suggesting that I believe that that’s what you should be doing, but you should probably hold yourself to your own standards

@Kaytlinne-argent-dawn

Like, I’m sure the’re a decent person in person? And they do a lot of creating RP (and drama :P) for AD.

Not at all

@Kaytlinne-argent-dawn

Part of the problem, I’m pretty sure, stems from the “I don’t care what people think” attitude and over-use of memeing

I care what the person I am interacting with thinks instead of a paladin on the forums. Ultimately if I was PM’d by the target (if that’s the word for it) of that interaction asking us to back off, we would have done just that

It’s a little bit of a “I consent / I consent / I don’t!” meme situation

@Kaytlinne-argent-dawn

Also, Rog is a saint and people do not deserve them

They can be a bit of a school prefect on discord but they’re a fantastic roleplayer for sure

[Kaytlinne-argent-dawn (Kaytlinne)]

Uh… dunno where you got that from, but ok? ‘Weird flex’ I guess?

[Showlonon-argent-dawn]

over-use of memeing

[Zuntulo-argent-dawn (Zuntulo)]

If there wasn’t enough communication then that is regrettable, no one wants to ruin anyone else’s RP.

However all this acting like this is one sided RP is frankly ridiculous, this whole rebellion plot has been a cooperation between us Stygians and the lovely Rogmasha and their Whiteclaws, I’ve enjoyed it immensely and I hope the other side has too.

This was all done for the sake of RP, not to best anyone, or to act all powerful. At the end of the day we are here just to have fun as a community, like everyone else.