Seriously, back when we played Vanilla and noone knew anything, everyone just played races/class/spec combinations they liked, and most people did well with it.
Some specs were stronger here, others there, but overall but it never made that big of an impact.
Now we have solid numbers, telling us the frost mage is 1% better than the fire mage in content X, and the whole forum acts like that means “OMG FIRE MAGE NOT VIABLE FOR CONTENT X!!!”
Honestly, that stuff sucks.
Its racials all over again. Some high level progression guild pulled 1% more effectiveness out of the raid by using Horde racials and suddendly every casual switched to horde claiming Alliance wasnt viable for raiding, because hardcore progression guilds could get a tiny bit more progression with Horde racials…
I miss the time where people just played the game and had fun and didnt follow meta guides to the letter…
I agree. And clueless people will look at theorycrafting and say “oh no retri for party. Gotcha. No shadow for raid.”
Because people are stupid and can’t make a decision based on their own brains. Somebody else has to do the thinking for them and then they take it for granted.
I’ve always been an advocate for play whatever the hell you like, it is a game not rocket science.
You are hyperballing so hard right now. No, frost mages are not only 1% better than fire mages for MC and Ony. Forst mages are not only 1% better for aoe grinding or dungeons and definitely are not only 1% better than fire for world pvp, at the moment.
Idk, I don’t mind theorycrafting. I like having optimal gear to chase after. It’s not like I’m gonna adhere to the BiS list anyway, I just have it as a reference at times.
My hunter for example will be going with as close to 100% purchased gear as possible (BoE), and not all that dungeon grind gear.
If you don’t like being told that what you play sucks or that something isn’t viable, play with people who don’t care about that stuff.
Vanilla was easy. Classic is easy. It’s all about finding players you enjoy playing with, and it really doesn’t matter if you pull 600 dps, 1k dps or 2k dps come naxx. As long as you hit 600, you pass.
Likewise with every other patch, as long as you hit a super mediocre dps check, you pass. People who care beyond that can band together, and others who don’t can band together.
Math always kills it. People love to talk and argue, but when somebody brings numbers? Dear God man, what have you done! Our argument is RUINED! It actually had an outcome! xD
The problem there wasn’t theorycrafting; theorycrafting would have proven Shaman could do stuff in raids besides heal. What made it the way it turned out was people coming to conclusions first and then using theorycrafting to justify it, with the tunnel-vision never being acknowledged.
Min-max was stupid because it was basically there to make sure the raid organiser could compensate for the mistakes that would be inevitably made people in the raid. It was a shortcut over getting to know how good of a player each person was and how likely they would be to take unnecessary aggro, damage, over-heal, use non-damaging but useful abilities. It was ignoring whether or not people were excellent craftsman in themselves and sticking them on a production-line where the division of labour was efficient, but made poor use of individual strengths.
Blizzard of course encouraged this by suggesting that certain classes fit certain roles by design, having cranked out all of the raid content that was present on release in just a few weeks to make the deadline. So raiding was poorly-designed and encouraged equally poor decisions to fit into it. It was almost like an entirely different game, because it was; it was never meant to be in WoW.
Let’s be honest here: if you’re dealing with the kind of people who demand theoretical maximums instead of “good enough”, you’re dealing with the wrong people. And honestly most of them aren’t even smart enough to do their own theorycrafting. They’re just copying someone’s build and claiming it as their own work.
Eh, kind of projecting there. I used to be a min-maxer for a while and people playing the game that way are not, as horrible as some claim them to be. There is nothing wrong playing the game like that, in a community of like-minded players, as long as you are not forcing your opinion on others, who chose to play differently.
it was for 5-10% of playerbase… now average joe read guides on internet , watch youtube guides and think he is a guru and do not invite the night elf warrior because humans specialization to maces and swords
Right, but there are plenty of guilds that just sell themselves as raiding guilds or whatever and then will criticise every little thing. That’s a very different thing.
