Considering all Overwatch background story happens in comic books and CGI videos I fail to see ow Blizzard trying to push any agenda in the game itself. Srsly, some people are just different. Get over it. That is not a bad thing.
Of course they can become worse depending how they handle the these issues, if they are indeed issues. The devil remains in the detail.
Perhaps that is true. I donât know. I am not a big Overwatch lore hound. But the notion remains subjective to me. Frankly I wasnât a big fan of the initial female characters probably because they played like crap to me.
Again, subjective. I found most of the new characters as boring as the initial ones. But that could be entirely cause I like playing the same character too much.
I donât blame you for not understanding it, I donât either, itâs also commonly used when men interrupt women or sit with their legs too far apart in public transportation and a ton of other things. Itâs Feminist âlingoâ and from what Iâve gathered has no officially accepted grounds in modern psychology.
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Can woman display toxic masculnity? 
I donât think it works like that⌠Otherwise it would be called something less targeted most likely, but you are asking the big questions here.
I would argue the modern female action hero frequently does, if Ashval is right in saying that itâs just the behaviour, not the gender that is judged. Captain Marvel for example shows very unhealthy levels of aggression and bravado.
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Oh you mean, for both genders to be called toxic, instead of target just one gender? 
As both are showing vicious traits, women can kill as easily, fall prey for jelousy or spite. We have quite a long history and criminal record for that.
So I think this is some vile politics made by cultural marxists. Otherwise they wouldnât specifically target men, when females are showing similar traits.
Besides surpressing emotions is not just male thingy. Plenty of adults do that as showing anger outburts in the public is not something a man of culture would do, neither bursting into tears. Itâs a culture thingy , weâre raised to control our emotions in specific moments. This is what differents us from animals.
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Sure, women can be super evil and do super evil things, just like men can be thoroughly good and want to do only good things. Thatâs not really something new.
But I for one could have done without Blizz spreading this platitude the way they tried in bfa with Sylvanas/ Anduin- and certainly did it not make the story as a whole any better.
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Not exactly. This has nothing to do with whether WoW races are âevilâ or not.
Iâm just saying that when building a fictional fantasy world, that advertises a set of races with their own culture and values, the author must think on the story first and foremost. On whatâs logical in the setting, not from our human RL point view.
When you tie the behaviour of fictional races to the same RL values that rule our world, the fantasy ceases to be such and you end up having a story that isnât fantastical at all.
Authors can put an underlying message with any story they want, but should never turn it into the pivotal set of rules that dictate what these supposed âfantasticalâ races use to behave. Specially when there have been extensive stories and previous writers that have spent time detaching ideologically said races from us.
Itâs, to put it simply, breaking the immersion from a player point of view.
And this is a problem i personally think is getting more and more dominant currently.
I mean, why are you writing a war story with warlike races when you are going to turn them all around into your mouthpiece that demonises war itself?.
People play this game for a reason. They have orcs, undead, savage elves, and warlike dwarves. This is called World of Warcraft.
I donât need you to lecture me about how bad war is, i know that. Let me enjoy fantasising with some fictional races with my fictional war.
PS: Regarding the whole SJW-PC thing, i just feel like it does leak here and there in the narrative. Examples like Sylvanas taking random pride on being the first female Warchief (downright ignoring all her background) makes me roll my eyes and wonder whatâs the point of it being highlighted at all. That seems awfully intentional.
Although i do agree that i doubt thats the crux of the issue here.
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That is rarer, but a woman in a male-dominated collective could emulate the worse parts of masculinity to fit in.
The difference is that, in general, traditional feminine traits are passive, not active. Therefore a woman who seeks to be feminine to the point of toxicity (such as limiting her own potential to be a proper wife and mother, or ignores abuse) is more likely to hurt herself rather than others. When men do that, they hurt both themselves and others.
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I disagree, because I see âtoxic masculnotyâ as nothing more than buzzword. Both women and men can be toxic -and you have lots of criminal record for that. Senseless cruelty abuse of the weaker, physical and psychological violence - youâd think that this is the work of man but no that is Gertrude Barczynski woman whoâs husband left her with children so she started to throw all her frustrations on little girl. Look it up.
Environment didnât create her like that she was just evil to core woman.
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You seem to insinuate that I believe women are perfect while men are all evil; that is just plain bad faith. If you want a civilised discussion, keep assumptions to the minimum and do not twist the words of your opponent. Thatâs called a strawman.
I understand that you may be offended - even triggered - by the term toxic masculinity, that you may take it as a personal attack on your masculinity (which I am sure isnât toxic!). But in that case, you would be wise to be a man and control your feelings. That kind of masculinity wouldnât be toxic for sure!
Toxic and abusive behaviour can come from different sources, and toxic masculinity refers to a specific kind of toxicity caused by the misplaced desire to conform to masculine gender norms. The kind of abuse you describe originates from a different source; Gertrude Barczynski didnât abuse her children because she believed it would make her more of a proper lady; thus gender norms were not involved. Not all toxicity is âmasculineâ or âfeminineâ.
However, while feminine gender norms in general do not lead to toxicity directly, they can make toxic behaviour more insidious, which is why female bullying is more of a problem than male bullying. Men, as driven by masculine gender norms, sort their disagreements directly, usually with physical violence, which means they are resolved quickly. Not so much with womenâŚ
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No, Iâm not strawmaning, and neither I made any remark directed at you. Iâm mocking the term alone. Youâre either toxic or not, it doesnât matter if youâre man or woman. I think that repeating over over this term is in bad faith tough, as itâs targeting half of the population.
Iâve read on what it stands for and I call it bollocks, this entire theory is based on straw manning. Yes, males have more testosterone and that is affecting their behaviour, so what? Marxists want to bend the nature?
I never implied that you were claiming that women are superb, Iâm however strongly opposing that we should target only men when talking about toxic behaviour.
Iâve watched plenty of documented cases of female abusers and criminals to be absolutely sure in claiming that I donât see any difference between them or men. Their acts and their crimes have either identical motives or identical methods.
Surpassing emotions is neither remark of âtoxic masculnityâ as majority of adults are doing that. Itâs a matter of good behavious and culture, and not just western but asian as well, or perfected for the sake of games (poker) or in very important tasks such as infiltration or spying.
So excuese me when I laugh at another ideological fart that comes from âgender studiesâ professords.
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Youâre trying so hard to act like you are not offended that the fact that you are offended becomes even more obvious. This is not about you, unless you yourself exhibit toxic masculine behaviour. But Iâm sure you donât, youâre a good man.
We should target everyone when talking about toxic behaviour. Which is why we should understand how toxic behaviour manifests, and what factors may be involved in creating it - including masculinity. If we do not understand where toxicity comes from, we canât properly deal with it.
Why do we talk about Islamist terrorism, white nationalist terrorism, or eco-terrorism? Because these are different kinds of terrorism that, while fundamentally similar, are fueled by different ideologies. In understanding these ideologies, we may learn how to fight terrorism more efficiently - likewise with toxicity.
Youâre not some PC LGBTBBQ+ cultural Marxist globalist Soros-shill virtue-signalling SJW libcuck who wouldnât man up and call out Islamic terrorism for what it is, are you? Same thing here.
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You were a moment ago asking to not make a personal remarks. So why donât you follow your own advise especially when you know very little about me, I only know one person on this forum that knows my true identity, and he must be laughing out loud when reading this reply. 
Ok, then would you please explain this unholy alliance between feminists that supposedly fight âtoxic masculnityâ with Islamists?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq5vwczXleA
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38956212
Iâll rest the case xD
But I suppose we should casue with derailing this subject with RL politics.
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In the first case, well - these arenât Islamists, these are ordinary Muslims. Islamism is a political ideology that seeks to instate an Islamic theocracy; not all Muslims are Islamists, and even shouting âAllahu akbarâ doesnât automatically make you one.
Whether Abrahamic religions can coexist with feminist ideas is a matter of theology rather than politics, so Iâd rather not get into that.
The Iranian government is Islamist; however, the situation with Swedenâs ambassadors appears to be more of a Catch-22, where the only alternative would be not to send women at all. Pragmatism.
Anyway, I have presented my arguments, so let us move on to other topics indeed.
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I thought it was enough for the behaviour to do harm to oneself or others to call it toxic⌠Does only physical harm count? Else I have real problems seeing why passive behaviours wouldnât count as well. Sensitivity and deference for example sound as if they would be quite unhealthy in big dosesâŚ
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I mentioned it before: feminine social behaviour make female bullying a lot harder to deal with. Thatâs⌠not quite toxic femininity, but itâs femininity that exacerbates existing toxicity.
Going back on topic, the thing is that femininity does not play a major role in Warcraft, or in fantasy in general, like masculinity does. The female characters we do have do not really have situations in which acting feminine is all that important. Perhaps if Warcraft was a low fantasy political drama, about noblewomen vying for power and prestige, then there could be potential for toxic and non-toxic femininity to be explored. In action fantasy? Eh, not so much.
The only character who really explores the themes of femininity in the game is Azshara, and she clearly shows negative feminine traits (vanity, for example). And as she is portrayed negatively, well, Iâd say everything is perfectly fine in that department.
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Yrel? She presents positive feminine traits, such as confidence and hopeâŚ
Oh just kidding, she went mad in BfA. Carry on.
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Why not, though? I mean⌠âoversensitivity is only bad, if there is something to be sensitive aboutâ sounds about as questionable to me as âthe tendency to repress emotions is only bad if there are emotions to repressâ. That there are hurtful things that a sensitive person will react to is just as unavoidable as the fact that there will be emotions to deal with.
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