Let’s bring more sportsmanship into the mode, rather than spreading defeatism and negativity.
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People who leave or afk against premades are NOT part of the problem.
Thats victim- blaming.
You can never blame someone for quiting when theyre not having fun.
Also if we reverse the logic you will see that leavers are a complete side effect of premades.
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That’s your opinion, but I don’t agree with their mindset, therefore by my logic, they don’t deserve the win, nor the satisfaction, sorry to say, but I just don’t buy that take. Nada.
Leave, cool, that is entirely within your right to do.
Afk, that’s just a disservice to the team, just leave then, like. You’ll end up eating the deserter debuff anyway as soon as someone notices.
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Drama people just get good don’t play premade all good.
better for everyone.
It would be helpful if people learned to correctly identify what is and what is not a premade. Because there are only two big names that really lead sync premades nowadays in Europe, Larkus for the Alliance and Zenie for the horde.
Most of the other names have nothing to do with sync premades. At most, they are groups of friends up to 5.
Imagine you are afraid of a group of 3 players that make up only 7,5% of a team of 40 and use that as an excuse why you wont fight.
You don’t have to imagine it. This is the reality of almost every alliance team right now.
“OMG an Emegenceree premade” -he plays in small groups
“OMG a Laota premade” - she plays in small groups
“OMG a Fistus premade” - I play in small groups or sometimes alone, actually. As if I needed an army of henchmen to make strategy calls in an epic bg. 
We faced Zado today with Valdrakon. of course a hunter in our team pissed his pants “another premade”. Guess what, we won. Turns out Zado only had mostly random players with him with weak dps. He only syncs when he is with Zenie and when he leads alone, it is just one group.
This misidentification and crying about premades is almost more annoying than the premades themselves. It seems way more widespread on alliance than on horde. The horde cries premade when they see Larkus and they are right, because Larkus actually does play in sync premades most of the time.
The alliance cries about premade at every occasion. Its unreal.
Just play!
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Imagine that text to care that much, i an slow can only do a few words.
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Well, first came an action and then a reaction
But you can’t switch 'em 'round for your own satisfaction
Well you burnt my house down then got mad at my reaction
Good night sleepy salty premades keep going ruin our games.
More peps leaving everyday but i guess that’s what u want.
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im sorry but you lost alot of credibility when you started playign sync in epic yourself during DF
like i said, maybe we might not be able to stop them, but you added yourself to them, that didn’t help the situation at all
just don’t be part of them couldve been a step in the right direction, but the more people join them, the more people feel like joining or stop playing
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Yet another strawman argument where you draw the line at queue syncing in epic BGs while conveniently ignoring full geared premades of 3 - 5 players smashing PUGs in random BGs which is the ACTUAL cancer of WoW casual PvP
Anyway please do keep going on with your pointless back and forth argument have fun sucking what little life remains in the PvP community of this game.
I’m calling you out but pretty much 80% of people posting in this thread should feel targeted as well
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Both of these examples are known for having played with the Bigboys and not just occasionally. Now they might play in a small group and just use this rep as the perfect winning condition. Also these “Small” Groups somehow very often land in the same Map as other “Small” Groups who’s names i’m not gonna say,you might have met them tho.(probably today).
You might play with only 3 people they are known for having played with Z/z/l and that will stick with them forever 
I would have asked them why their Queue is almost resistance free,where are all the alliance premades why do the pugs face them all day hmm now top that with perma Z facing and you have your idea of the average day on alliance. 3-5 Pug games(and you will struggle in those as well) rest Cringe.
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Premade
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Your opinion has zero credibility to me as well, so the thought is mutual. I only sync’ed once with Larkuz around DF season 1 (unbeknown to what I was up to, bare in mind it was fun as heck) and that day that I joined Pandora.
Reason I joined her crew that day was because :
One, She asked me if I wanted to join, andS econd, because we were trying to intercept another “russian premade”
We did so on another occasion and guess what, it was hillariously funny, and if I had the opportunity to do so to only face another strong notorious premade, I’ll do so in a heartbeat.
So don’t talk to me about credibility when you’re the one that sinks in the past with your hate speech and rant.
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No we are not.
Sometimes we have the odd player who complains about a premade and demoralizes their team based on seeing a few names (usually associated with one of the Z premades) and if that person is vocal enough he can make the team lose by diverting other players from the strategy to win the BG, resulting in people being all over the map and failing at everything instead of succeeding at the one thing that matters. Then that person usually quits the BG.
But that isn’t Alliance as a whole.
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Good for you when you are not one of them.
There are way too many of that kind in the average alliance team in epic bgs and it pisses me off.
I swear, every time one of these non-sync premade names appears in the other team, the crying begins. At least 2 players in the team will yell premade and some start leaving, others go afk.
How hard is it for some people to keep their mouths shut and try to play to the best of their ability?
Can you?
I saw you very rarely on ebgs when was playing last year (it’s not like I played 24/7, but it was shamefully often), but I’m sure it won’t be hard for such a gigachad with healthy mindset and etc like ya to just shut your mouth and play on alli side for, dunno, I would suggest until you finish nemezis questline, so you can also enjoy ashran buffs and turtle, but you probably finished it and/or it will significantly limit the time of your game itself… So, let’s say for 6 months?
Not sure about “shut your mouth” part though, like should it include “don’t cry on forums about crybabies”(If you started play on alli side not long time ago, it’s funny to see. It’s funny anyways) or “don’t organize randoms, just play like a casual player”(it would be probably too hard for ya, huh? Though if you will do that everyday for half-year, I presume you will get tired of ebg sooner) or may be both…
I probably won’t answer, cause subscription ends (shamefully, I didn’t mention premades when end it, yeah…).
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If I remember correctly, you were advocating how one person can make a huge difference and how all it takes is to take initiative, accept the challenge and lead PUGs to victory. At least I think that was you, don’t feel like scrolling through the thread and looking for the posts.
PUGs aren’t always compliant, and while defeatists are obnoxious (if it was up to me I would kick people who declare defeat even before the gates open from the BG), but the biggest strike to morale is usually the result of the initial clash. You Horde quit the BG if you lose that as well.
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Hear hear!
What if i don’t want to form groups and i want to play as solo player against other solo players? Is this too much to ask?
I think there is a very easy solution that i have mentioned before many many times. Different queues for RBGs for solo players and for groups. Easy fix. If you want to take it one step further , whoever queue gets into a pool and then randomly gets assigned to each team (horde or alliance) no matter the faction they are. Only solo queues are allowed .
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