I am 100% in favour that if you queue solo, you should be able to face a non premade set up vs your adversaries. I even wrote a feedback suggestion to implement MMR unranked where you have a progressive system that over the games you win and gradually climb MMR in a form of rating, to measure your level as an individual the battlegrounds slowly become challenging, this is a way to calculate & deliver unranked games paired with friends and foes of your skill level and therefore make it more engaging.
Random bgs were fun because it was random. There arenât many players left doing random bgs and this premade issue will kill it completly.
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Unplayable. First bg after 6 days.
Guess what- its a premade.
i join for a regular non-epic one - its a premade too.
i go play some world pvp - people use follower dungeons to avoid death.
Man this game is A B S O L U T E L Y cooked.
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ah yes, just another âonly that one timeâ
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If you mean that Wintergrasp we had a premade too. The Cryllic hunter and his Crew who led everyone to split the Group to get stomped half way on the road so the ppl on sunken got outnumbered soon after. Had them again in another Wintergrasp too and boy it was really bad it looked like straight out wintrading with bots. And the Ashran after that was the same. The ashran after that ofc lose with the same bots blasting into tanks. Its unbearable like what do these people learn, nothing spam queue till the pity win done by a community enriches them wow.
Hope your Queue gets better later <3
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why edit? you were saying something about you having a vod of premades bullying you and how awesome you were.
But you queing 5man for small bg is somehow okey? but they que 10man ebg is not okey.
this couldve been a great suggestion a long time ago probably, donât think it can be done anymore, just not enough numbers to get q pop by diving ppl into mmr
if we had a big playerbase, queueing bgs too, great addition
but as we know, ppl have quit for a number s of reasons, one of them, being exactly this post discussion
Sure 10 chars
Drama still on it seems, nobody likes premades its simple.
Some defend premades and some not.
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Time to leave against a premade I feel is at the start, nothing worse apart from a premade is entering when its already started, almost rinsing a whole team( peeps leaving and getting replaced). Want to leave, then leave before the gates open, peeps shouldnt leave after so other peeps end with the garbage.
Only time I leave is before gates open, replacement against a premade or when a xxxx mage puts a portal by A HS well.
They not having fun!!! have a thought about next person who has to replace them.
Zado/ zennie pramade 4x in a row 2 already started 2 left before gates open, guess there are not enough players to create enough teams, purely because of these premades I presume.
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Iâve tried playing Epic BGs at various times today ranging from 6am, 12pm and just now at 8pm (game time).
Every single one of them I have been up against Horde pre-made. And more often or not, it is the same players.
Itâs really sad, and really disrupts the enjoyment of the game mode.
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Imagine defending premades and calling out the people that leave. Jesus delusional lvl 9000.
This bracket is dead in 2 weeks with that mentality.
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I mean, i dont think he means it like that, or in a bad faith.
Lets not radicalize each other to this extent.
We all just want whats best for our enjoyment and thats it.
Lets just speak about it, make enough noise,
so maybe we get some changes coming for us.
I plan in 2 days to talk to a few streamers about it.
But i cant promise anything else.
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Coming from the dude that plays everyday with both huge Groups and the small ones too. Its really beyond me how someone with multiple Gladmounts and 2 r1 titles is enjoying pugstomping and pre-rigged games to this extend. Shxrk eat them all !!! No my friend Shxrk queues with them all fits here perfect.
You dont even need this we played, when you were solo or with 1-2 Ppl ,multiple times against each other months ago. I enjoyed those games tbh they were a little bit fairer than whatever is happening right now.
Enjoy it while it lasts,even i am on the verge of giving up,and judging from the People i lately have in my teams so did a lot of other People too.
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My last post got yeeted because of too many naughty words, so let me respond to the points once again without swearing.
Everything in my post was about the situation in epic bgs and I didnât mention the 10 / 15 random bg format at all. That doesnât mean I have nothing to say on the topic.
I do find 5 stacks in random bgs too oppressive and my preferred solution would be to give them a stacking debuff that reduces dps / hps, health and increases damage taken that stacks higher the more party members they have.
Separating queues for premades is an experiment that failed in SoD from what Iâve heard and it lead to an increase in queue times for everyone.
With a stacking debuff, you could keep everyone in the same queue and premades would get a penalty to compensate for their advantages to even the playing field between solo players and smaller groups and full 5 stacks.
Their rep as a win condition?
Are the opponents incapable of realizing that the sync leader is not even there and is just one group? If it is just one group, there are no rules bent, it is not cheating and it is not impossible to beat them. If that is the case, play to the best of your ability.
Because the alliance gives up the second they see them when playing the round normally would lead to a win with a much higher probability.
Itâs a self-fulfilling prophecy. Players see these names in the other team, they give up and demoralize their team, the team performs weaker than it otherwise would, they lose, this reinforces their beliefs that certain opponents canât be beaten.
In the deleted post I mentioned how it played out in practice two days ago. We are at IoC for the alliance, someone cries out âLaota Premadeâ. 5 players said we wonât win the fight and went to workshop and docks. (as if glaives would be of any use against a strong opponent) and we fought at hangar outnumbered. We landed 6 kills first and the other team only two, but later we crumbled and failed to take hangar at the start.
We would have easily won the fight if these players had come with us. That is the result of crying about âpremadesâ in the other team. Not of the âpremadesâ in the other team themselves which are at most 5-groups, but specifically the result of complaining about premades at the start of the round and mentioning you are up against one.
And this needs to stop.
Exactly. And Iâm glad you are not one of them.
My criticism doesnât go out to the alliance as a faction as a whole, but to those who participate in spreading defeatism.
This is unavoidable and will inevitably happen to some degree.
Crying about âpremadesâ on the other hand before the gates open - that is entirely avoidable.
On top of that, spreading defeatism before start significantly increases the likelihood that you lose the first fight to begin with.
No, it should not.
Talking about the problem of defeatism is important, because defeatism in the face of alleged (yes, alleged!) premades is the reason why many alliance teams lose nowadays in epic bgs. And yes, this is an alliance problem. The horde doesnât do it as much and only when they meet Larkus, who really plays in sync premades.
The alliance does it on every occasion. Oftentimes when it is completely inappropriate and there is no sync premade present at all.
Unlike moaning at the start of the round about premades, discussing this topic and replacing that defeatism with a healthy attitude will only lead to an increase in your factionâs win rate.
I already do, I play both factions and recruit players from both factions to my war game and event community, and I find the habit of some alliance players when they face âpremadesâ appalling, so I call it out.
Why would I not make strategy calls when I know what would be the most effective way to get the team ahead?
The question is: âWhat prevents someone to do what I do and organize a random team with strategy calls.â
The answer is: nothing.
Every player can do what I do.
You donât even require a group.
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Wouldnât be a problem if there were no premades.
Morale issue. If you think you canât win why waste your time? Players are sick of being stomped without a chance so they just give up. This never used to be a thing, you maybe got 1 or 2 players giving up but now its like 5 or 6. Donât blame the symptom blame the problem and thatâs premades.
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You say this was not an issue before, yet, premades have been on going since 2004, do you mind explaining that small detail please? You can beat premades, if people apply to it, but if people have this mindset of giving up, and blaming others, that is not a premade issue, it is a player problem. Letâs not deviate please.
With the right mindset, and determination, defeating premades is possible, you are all involuntarily, indirectly glorifying them without realizing it.
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No, etiquette issue.
If you feel like this, thereâs no reason to drag your team down with you. Just leave the game instead of doing your team mates a disservice.
Why do people think theyâre entitled to sour the mood because they have a bad attitude? Just leave then, seriously. Donât drag others down with you, thatâs childish and counter-productive.
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I agree that the devs should make sync premades impossible, but they donât, so itâs up to the players to adapt.
And being able to correctly identify what is a sync premade where you really have no chance and what is just a small group of friends is up to the players.
There are only two names you really have to pay attention to. The sync premade leaders are called Zenie for the horde and Larkus for the alliance. Maybe Drex for the alliance once he comes back. He is on a vacation for a few weeks.
Apart from that, there are no active sync premade leaders atm.
If you donât see these names in your lobby, there is no premade, and there is no reason to give up.
Btw, just now I finished a round as alliance in wintergrasp defense. I was trying to lead the team in offense with Valdrakon, the opponents were lead by Emegenceree. We go to sunken, they started at broken. We go to westspark, the alliance team splits in the most stupid way, pops bloodlust to kill 5 opponents at westspark, The opponents are still with 30 or more at broken, waiting.
Some alliance players come close to broken. I tell them multiple times to go back to westspark to regroup.
What does my team do? Go back to westspark?
Nah.
âLetâs attack their main force with a group of 15 players without bloodlust head on.â
You know how the story ends.
They all died and feeded like idiots.
Then we lost westspark and all our towers for nothing.
Whose fault is it according to the chat? The premadesâ of course.
I talked to Emegenceree, he is also in my community, asked him how many they were.
âWe are just a group of 2 with Soxee.â
This is the reality of so many alleged premade rounds.
You arenât fighting an actual sync premade.
You are fighting a raid leader commanding a random team with strategy calls.
You lose not because they are impossible to beat in the fight or join with more players than is allowed like an actual sync premade.
You lose because you make asinine tactical mistakes.
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Nope, hord is the exact same as alliance in this, no diff in any way.
You know how many times I got whispers from people who merc and say or link me screenshots where they STILL think I do premade and write âJay premade, looooseâ bla bla?..goes into the 3 numbers. 
Last time I did this is now multiple years ago and the last time I got this whispers maybe 2 month~.
Maybe it is a little more on alliance as on hord atm but you know why?..because almost all epic premades play hord, also Larkus so often merc que.
Just stop writing alliance or hord bla bla, they are the same, if you say different, you are wrong.
You wrote something like there would be only 2 sync premades on hord, EVEN if there are only 2âŚTHEY SPAM 24/7 this sh*t, at any time of the day.
And you like to talk abt personal experience, here is mine, as some1 who plays 10 times as much epics as you do.
This kind of shifting the problem or who to blame pisses me off.
EPIC PREMADES ARE THE PROBLEM, every other problem that has to do with it, results from it.
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