This has got to stop! - WoW Era

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This is for the Classic Era servers (Firwam cluster).

Now I’m not one for complaining on these forums, but enough is enough.

All alliance players, if you want a 100% alliance server, keep on doing what you’re doing!
My guild already disbanded because of how bad the ganking situation is. Horde players switching alliance, started to return to Wotlk or retail or completely stopped playing.
I doubt the balance is still 60/40, feels more like 70/30 atm, because it’s also getting harder to find dungeon groups.

At this moment, because of the state of the game, it’s nearly impossible for horde players to level up.
The moment you hit lvl 20 and start to enter PvP area’s, we get to deal with nothing but lvl 60 alliance gankers. Some rogue, which I’m not gonna name, made it his fulltime job of terrorising low levels in Hillsbrad Foothills, he even has a posse of wannabe copycats, who have lately switched over to STV. If you shift to somewhere else you’ll constantly are getting ganked be groups of alliance.
I had to level from 30 to 40 in Scarlet Monastery, took me nearly 2 months, because I’m a casual player, who can only play in the few hours a week I have time off.

Today I log in on my horde character who was in the Kargath (Badlands) inn, the very second my character gets loaded into the game, I’m getting bulldozed over, by a bored lvl60 paladin and rogue (Yes, inside the Inn!). The guards couldn’t do a thing, because they always ran cowardly away over and over.
So I was finally able to hearthstone out of there, but I can’t go to STV because it’s suicide, no ones runs Uldaman, so I flew all the way to Tanaris, the second I land and set foot in Gadgetzan, a 60 mage starts to attack me (frankly I was able to kill him to with some help of the guards), I spawn just ouside the wall of the town, when I see a 60 warlock dotting me with everything he got.
So I spawn again, mount up and run towards Steamwheedle Port, while I notice I’m getting chased by a lvl 60 shadowpriest, who killed my half way there.

I really wish (and I hope you read this Blizzard, but you probably won’t because you don’t care) that they brought back the character cloning that we had before TBC classic. So we could atleast have some sort of honest chance here.
I don’t mind playing on a PvP server, I always did since the release of the game, I get that it implies that you can get killed all the time, everywhere. And I know it’s something that always was. But I can say for sure that it never has been this bad, EVER! Who argues this is blind or fooling himself. Having 60’s constantly targettting lower levels is not showing skill in any way, it’s showing how bored and rotten players have become.
I do hope that Season of Discovery will pull some of these bored lowelives away for some time. Rant over.

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Blizzard will not do anything to solve PvP situations, unless it’s very, very, very extreme.

You should try on the Wrath realms, it’s even more one sided.

Have you tried PvE realms? I’m not trying to troll you but it sounds like this type of PvP realm is not for you. People will just keep on doing it, unless you can get a gang of 60s together to combat it.

It’s why I left PvP realms on Era, I hit 25 or so and had constant ganking.

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I can tell you a big secret: It is the same for Alliance.

There’s little you can do about it, other than 1) level up on a PvE server or 2) level up on a dead server (e.g. Zandalari tribe) and then do a free transfer to Firemaw.

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All those Alliance gankers are probably ganking victims themselves on their alts.
~IT’S THE CIRCLE OF LIFEEEEE~

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It’s a pvp realm.

How do you make your character show on your forum portrait? Mine is just a wow symbol.

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I play a lot on the server, Horde is about 37-39% of the playerbase during peak hours. The ganking is really bad. I have been taking my level 60 to Stonetalon and there are always several lvl 60s in the area ganking the level 14-25 questers, but they always seem to die 1v1.

My advice is to play on Gehennas and transfer over at lvl 60. At the moment the server is not good for levelling unless you spam dungeons.

edit: regarding the Tanaris thing, this level 39 rogue I’m posting on got ganked ~20ish times inside Gadgetzan while levelling my engineering from 225 - 300. Mostly by mages and warlocks standing on rooftops abusing a bug to not get hit by guards.

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No i won’t stop ganking levelers because they did the same when i was leveling. Oh he got a nice worldbuff? Not on my watch :moyai:

at least i don’t go to zones just for ganking. i just gank btw when moving to ZG as example.

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I’ve been leveling this character for the last 3 weeks on the firemaw cluster and I can tell you it’s just as bad on the alliance side if not worse. People don’t roll UD rogue on a PvP server to make friends do they? They are everywhere ganking lowbies.

Last night after SoD release I was running from Southshore up to hinterlands and happened upon a level 20 Tauren shaman just trying to level. They were the first lowbie I have let live since rolling this character. I personally don’t really like doing it, I just have to. My hand has been forced. If it were up to me “grey” characters would be a DHK with no DHK counter (so no one can flex), just a massive loss of honor.

My level 60 has been camped in Stonetalon since around day 3 or 4 of leveling. I would get ganked by a “skull” while leveling, log out and do laps of stonetalon killing every lowbie in sight. About a week ago I noticed an increased amount of bodyguards, while as a R14/Naxx geared hunter it’s easy to drop poorly geared 60s (particularly warriors and druids) I started to realise the ganking has probably gone a bit too far for them too so I’ve decided (especially with the release of SoD) to let all “grey to me” horde live while stopping my Stonetalon and Ashenvale “patrols”.

I’ll never trust the horde or the average horde “chooser” on classic PvP servers (especially in modern times). Many will claim they “prefer the visuals” but you just have to look at any PvE servers population in general. When there’s no open world PvP, a large amount of them roll alliance. They have chosen horde because google, youtube, icyveins and streamers told them to. They are told horde are the “pvp faction” with the “best pvp racials”, edgy UD rogues and mages, resisting stuns with orcs. They have rolled it because (they presumed) they’d have an easy time and be ones doing the ganking. Not on my watch.

Also, with the Spy addon its very easy to check the rank of the player. Any rank above 0 means he has killed alliance and likely not in a “fair fight”. Outside of twinks lowbie pvp is dead, so if he’s leveling out in the open world rest assured that honor and HK’s were gained from ganking. World PvP is/has never been fair and usually starts when one person see’s a perceived advantage (enemy low hp, strength in numbers, fighting mobs or drinking etc). Being higher level is also an advantage. They user their advantage, I use mine.

Trust me when I say that alliance are a much more ‘passive’ faction. I’ve been in zones and areas where there are 5-6 alliance around leveling and 1-2 horde just getting left alone. You won’t see that with horde, as soon as they have numbers on alliance they will get brave and try to gank. They are “PvPers” after all right? a couple of HK’s away from being youtube stars.

Proof - look at the horde population on ANY PvE realm. You don’t put protection on unless you gonna do the the deed do you? As you don’t roll horde on a PvP server unless you gonna (at least try to) gank and bully…

Lastly, there’s 4 years of progression on ERA now. Be careful who you kill or try to kill.

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This complaint is ridicule.

What’s next? Complaining about players using knifes and daggers and stabbing you behind your back?

Mate, wake up, the entire game is about violence, about killing.

Blizzard even designed an attack named “backstab” (for rogues), that requires the attacker to attack from behind. You hear me? It REQUIRES it.
Are you going to complain that attacking from behind is not fair? Should Blizzard remove this attack from the game?

I mean, common.
Are you going to complain about how wild animals, pigs, birds, are being slaughtered by other players?

Are you going to ask that the rogue spell “Pick Pocket” be removed from the game? «It is stealing! It’s illegal! Pick-pocketing should be punished!»

Should we remove “fireball” as well? «It’s dangerous to play with fire, it burns, it hurts! Players are dying !»

Geez… these people… unbelievable.

The game is about killing. Yes it’s philosophically violent. The game is not about hugs.
It’s a war. You are at war with the other faction. …and it’s a Player-vs-Player realm that you have chosen …
Yes you chose this… you realise that?

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the game has been destroyed completely by gdkps, flyhacking bots, gold buyers and hackers and you complain about world pvp?

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Had more issues being ganked by horde than anything on that cluster, step into any PvP zone and I’m usually camped by a 60

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Leveled 2 60s in Era in the last couple of months on Alliance and can confirm we get ganked just as much. Era ganking is probably the most extreme I’ve ever seen in nearly 2 decades playing this game, however, it’s a PvP server and that is what I wanted. Active world PvP is a special thing.

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It was just a rant post, I’m not gonna argue it any further.
It was a mistake of my own, thinking anyone on this anonymous forum would show a sign of empathy, especially when most of them are probably part of the issue.
Just keep in mind, that not every player who’s game you’re trying to ruin, has the same mental flexibility. Maybe harassment is to strong of a word, but it’s atelast a sign of bad sportsmanship, no matter how much you’re trying to deny or sugar coat it.

It would have been a good thing, that when Blizz changed the ranking system a few months back, they would implement negative honor point system, to discourage lvl 60s of ganking lower level players over and over again.
Like maybe place a 1h buff/debuff on players, that says something like “this players has already been ganked 10 times by lvl60 players within the last hour, if you do it once more within the next hour you’ll get a negative 100-500 honor or something for each kill.” This way the low level player would have 1h to level nearly “unbothered”. And ofc this wouldn’t apply on PvP between players in the same level range. At lvl 50 it wouldn’t apply anymore, because at this point you would technically be able to defend yourself against a lvl 60 player.

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That’s because most of the players on this forums actually know the rules about this.

PvP is a free for all and putting limits on it is against the game ethos. Your OPINION on this matter can differ from others without them being “part of the issue” in your little passive aggressive “rant”.

Again, if you don’t like PvP, in all it’s forms then PvE realms are for you.

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Sucks when you want to play Horde but don’t want to play on PvP servers you don’t have much population to work with. Fortunately Pyrewood Cluster is on the increase but its night & day difference between Horde PW & Horde Firemaw.

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I really wanna try to roll horde on firemaw just to experience that suffer you did experienced, I would really like to see if alliance can be so mean or not compared to horde

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Its not really one or the other side, you find those individuals on both sides.
The server is just packed to the brim.

Issue is/was (judging by ah activity alone) we had more active players on that one pvp cluster than you had on both eu hc realms combined.
This while we where locked to one singular layer on the pvp cluster, meanwhile the hc servers had 12 layers.
It was implemented like that as some players on dead clusters complained about too many layers; so blizzards fix: 1 layer for all of era. In the process causing so much lag in major cities that players on lower end setups could not even play if they wanted to. Its like that Eu/Us meme, they dont even think about us.
As is evident with all their other “updates” and changes to vanilla, they are all forced on us to help them develop their other projects.

You would think the layering system would actively adjust to the player number on that individual zone/server/cluster. That would make logical sense. But no, it does not.

Since then and the sod launch it appears blizzard has decided to lock the pvp cluster and the hc realms to 3 layers.
This new band aid should help things a little bit for both (even at peak, higher lvl hc zones felt quite dead with 12 layers).

But I would still expect leveling in hillsbrad and stv to be quite the experience.
So if you cant find joy in that, try to avoid it; grind mobs/ spam dungeons or play on a pve realm.

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Yap and That’s part one of the reasons why I stopped playing ERA entirely.

Can’t level anything without getting killed every 5 minutes.

Made a post about it two months ago but all I got from that was people telling me to go pve and that this was PvP and what did I expect?

I played pvp realms for almost 20 years and it was never this bad but that doesn’t mean they don’t repeat the same stupid sentence over and over again as if the situation is completely the same.

I don’t ganking in return because it’s pointless. People are on average 30+ and want to relax after work, those sociopaths whose enjoyment comes from destroying other peoples fun are a very special sort of man children who’d I’d hate to meet in real life.

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They ain’t wrong.

I’m not sure what realm you played on, probably one with a hugely dominant faction, that you of course played on, being on the other faction was not nice, believe me, Ganking happened often.

“If it’s red it’s dead”, is an RP mode.

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