nothing has been announced about tokens, you talk as though its 100% happening… maybe wait and see.
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If you mean that white knighting means standing up against toxic behaviour against fellow games then I’m a proud one. You also seem to be throwing out random words while not having a single clue about them.
oh please spare me the drivel, the guy expressed that he didn’t have the time, in his very own words so i do in fact have a clue and a reasoning behind my hostile reply.
You’re really something special, aren’t you. No one was judging you based on your achievements, you made a comment about maybe being 13 years old and you have achievements dating back to 2008
Yeah but the fact of the matter is that you looked up my achievements. as far as i know thats the first thing retail players do when they wanna dig up dirt on someone.
and btw i was joking when i said i could be 13… thought that was obvious but hey, i’ll try harder next time.
But please do continue being condescending towards people who do enjoy retail.
you know what the difference between retail andys and classic players are?? classic players don’t go to the retail forums to talk smack, yet you retail andys are all over the classic forums constantly, repeating the same old garbage arguments in favor of the conveniences in retail you want implemented in classic, which ironically is exactly how retail became the crap game it is today. conveniences. many conveniences. so many conveniences that the game is a hollow, soulless, boring shell of its former glory.
this is why classic players are so hostile towards retail andys btw. because we’ve seen this before, and we’ve learned from history, whereas you people are completely ignorant to the effects of the changes you want implemented in classic.
now when i say “you people” im not only referring to you or the other guy, i am referring to retail players in general, who continuously advocate for all the features that turned classic wow into the garbage that is retail today.
“give race change pls”
“oh now you implemented boon so now you can implement [this retail feature]”
“well i mean hey, you added boosts so we might as well just jump off the slippery slope into a free fall and just fast-forward the ruination of the game by implementing [retail feature]”
No dude. we’re not having it. go back to retail where those conveniences are all abundant and ready to be indulged by that game’s playerbase
classic is suppose to be inconvenient, unforgiving and most importantly; have no god damn microtransactions, boosts, storemounts or any of the sort.
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You’re assuming that every “boosted Andy” as you call them, are new to the game and don’t know how to play.
that’s because this is an observable, objective fact. you know how long its been since i’ve had to explain ZG boss mechanics to someone? well yesterday was the first time in like a year.
Furthermore, how is a “boosted Andy” different in terms of pulling a team down, than a freshly dinged 60 who sweated it out? Both need to gear up, and both are fairly useless against a geared team…
a legit leveled character has blue items and maybe even an epic or two, which is far better than the green trash a boosted character starts out with. a legitimately leveled character also has the benefit of knowing the ins and outs of his class, whereas boosted andy is thrown into a game with a bunch of spells he has no clue how to use as effectively.
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Is that you Sherlock?
You couldn’t even be further from the truth. But then again, it’s also not very surprising that you don’t really have a clue what you’re talking about.
People like you have been condescending towards your fellow gamers the moment TBC launched. Also hilarious that you call me a retail andy when my I started late in Vanilla. People like you are crying about stuff like socializing, yet you’re pretty anti-social and unwelcoming to other people. You’re the antithesis of what Classic was all about, but you’re too arrogant to see it.
Imagine being so arrogant that you think you can tell people what to do. Newsflash, you’re not important so best chill out on that superiority complex. Imagine getting so worked up over a 16 year old videogame, pretty sad.
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Imagine, if you had posted on a Classic character they would have been able to.
You couldn’t even be further from the truth. But then again, it’s also not very surprising that you don’t really have a clue what you’re talking about.
that’s a lot of words used in order to essentially say “no u”.
also i must disagree with you. i think i’m hitting the nail on the head here.
People like you have been condescending towards your fellow gamers the moment TBC launched.
that’s not a crime btw.
Also hilarious that you call me a retail andy when my I started late in Vanilla.
so you’ve played since late vanilla and still act like there’s nothing wrong with promoting implementation of retail features… that’s actually worse than you just being a retail andy. far worse. because that means you know the history and its results but just don’t care.
even ignorance is better than that.
People like you are crying about stuff like socializing, yet you’re pretty anti-social and unwelcoming to other people. You’re the antithesis of what Classic was all about, but you’re too arrogant to see it.
could be. then again, maybe i’m a really nice guy. you won’t know because you immediately got on my nerves white knighting for the other retail andy for no other reason than for the sake of white knighting, which is utterly cringeful behavior and frankly just really annoying. as a matter of fact you haven’t presented or refuted a single argument yet, so i can’t say my attitude towards you is going to change anytime soon.
Imagine being so arrogant that you think you can tell people what to do. Newsflash, you’re not important so best chill out on that superiority complex. Imagine getting so worked up over a 16 year old videogame, pretty sad.
imagine imagining that you can imagine what i’m imagining.
you are my fellow troll keep on trolling m8
No, that means that you were wrong. Retail forums were filled with toxic Classic players making threads all the time. You seem to have a hard time understanding what is being said, don’t you?
No, it’s not. But it shows what kind of people you are.
Not everyone shares your opinion, better get used to that. Must be hard for you to find out that your opinion isn’t worth more than others.
Ye, we can all see what a nice guy you are. So basicly you’re just mad because I resent toxic behaviour towards fellow gamers. And you are a nice guy? Don’t make me laugh.
You’re just an angry person who lives in the past and are so defensive over a 16 year old videogame, it’s like you have nothing else going on in your life besides World of Warcraft. Maybe you should grow up.
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No, that means that you were wrong. Retail forums were filled with toxic Classic players making threads all the time. You seem to have a hard time understanding what is being said, don’t you?
i dunno, do i? maybe you should learn to express yourself properly. perhaps even make an argument, or at least a coherent point.
No, it’s not. But it shows what kind of people you are.
thanks for pointing that out. very helpful and relevant to the topic btw.
Not everyone shares your opinion, better get used to that. Must be hard for you to find out that your opinion isn’t worth more than others.
this is in fact incorrect, because if i make a sound argument and you fail to refute it, my point holds true, which means my “opinion” is actually worth more than yours.
for example, i could make the argument that cutting onions sucks because it makes you cry/tear up and is very painful for the eyes, and if you were to say “i don’t think so” whose opinion do you think people would value most? the objective and true one or the spiteful and false one?
Ye, we can all see what a nice guy you are. So basicly you’re just mad because I resent toxic behaviour towards fellow gamers. And you are a nice guy? Don’t make me laugh.
people who use the phrase “toxic” to describe people who are slightly rude to them is the definition of being toxic. also, you’re the white knight, not me. personally i find that toxic.
You’re just an angry person who lives in the past and are so defensive over a 16 year old videogame, it’s like you have nothing else going on in your life besides World of Warcraft. Maybe you should grow up.
a blast from the past is suppose to be just that. a blast from the past. when you modernize that blast, it loses its charm and energy and becomes an abomination, much like what is happening to the game now.
its also quite ironic that you are here talking smack to me on these forums saying i have nothing else going on in my life, because your very presence here proves that you are no better than me in that regard.
Not my fault that you don’t understand what is being said.
You’re welcome. And it is indeed relevant, because this is your behaviour.
Only in that arrogant head of yours probably.
Making things up as we go eh, how surprising. Yes, I get it, standing up for fellow gamers is toxic in your eyes. Great mentality you have.
Oh, but I am. Being intolerant to intolerant people is not a bad thing.
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It’s funny, you complain about people wanting to buy a boost due to lack of time to play, being a problem…
But actually the problem with the servers at the moment is people like yourself; hardcore elitist sweatmasters - your misguided bid to achieve something in life aught to be focused on real life rather than in WoW… People crunching numbers, preparing elaborate schemes to farm gold, etc etc, has already ruined the economy on a lot of servers… And for what? Some virtual currency on a 15 y/o game? Grow up
TBC represents the game at the height of it’s popularity and quality, returning players want a slice of that nostalgia without the elitist baggage you are trying to attach.
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and without the boost this is impossible?
leveling was a big part of my nostalgia experience
i could tell stories about being ganked in the infamous STV or tanaris many times, or the first time i went into deadmines, or i adventured through ashenvale and found my first lvl ?? elite crocodile and got scared and ran away. this all happened in TBC.
I cant tell stories about being boosted from 0-58 with RL money though back then though.
the leveling is just as much part of the tbc experience as the “endgame”
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Didn’t you just cry about namecalling? That’s actually the definition of hypocrisy. You’re not very good at this, are you?
Please do continue to be condescending towards fellow gamers. Maybe one day you’ll understand that there’s more in life than a 16 year old videogame. And maybe in another 16 years you finally have grown up, although I doubt that. 
But actually the problem with the servers at the moment is people like yourself; hardcore elitist sweatmasters
so basically every classic player then. you could have just said “the whole community”.
your misguided bid to achieve something in life aught to be focused on real life rather than in WoW
that’s a matter of perspective and priorities. you have yours and i have mine.
the difference between you and me is that i’m not sitting here demanding the best of both worlds, whereas that’s exactly what you are doing, and i’m sorry bro, but that’s not how the world works… you can’t be an astronaut on a space trip and also be a successful doctor back on earth at the same time, you gotta choose one or the other, and be happy with your choice - you can’t have both.
People crunching numbers, preparing elaborate schemes to farm gold, etc etc, has already ruined the economy on a lot of servers
Bots… Bots have ruined the economy on a lot of servers… and gold buyers aka p2w’ers (like yourself, i imagine) are also guilty of this. sweatlords are hardly the reason for a ruined economy because guess what, sweatlords spend their gold on stuff that they need to maintain sweatlord status.
TBC represents the game at the height of it’s popularity and quality
Yeah and you want to ruin that…
returning players want a slice of that nostalgia without the elitist baggage you are trying to attach.
well again, i’m sorry but thats not how the world works. or at least its not suppose to. blizzard giving you a legup is a travesty because it defies the core values of what the game is suppose to be. but that’s not good enough for you is it. no you want more legups.
Perhaps you do just need educating, have you never set foot outside of the game world?
If I hold up a $100 note at disney world, and offer it to someone at the front of the queue, 9 times out of 10 they will happily let me “pay to win” and skip the queue.
That is how the world works I’m afraid, money talks, money wins.
You’re showing him Noremorze there 
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The integrity of the game held together by the players that play it - sadly a fair few players have lost sight of that integrity.
I don’t like retail, retail forced players into a single player game, that is ultimately what killed it. Sure it was mildly annoying moving to the Sunwell patch, it started to go downhill after that… But I returned for MoP and it was still perfectly playable back then, there was still enough interactivity amongst the community back then.
Achievements focused people away from socialising, and Garrisons was the final nail in the coffin for the game. It simply wasn’t playable after that…
But TBC is fun for the community, I’d love to join a mediocre guild and ride out the expansion progressing Karazhan, to get the authentic experience.
If you want to hardcore it, you do you, you’ll be far from my bracket in PvP, and you’ll be in a hardcore raiding guild instead of my mediocre guild. It’s really no issue whether I boosted or not in that case; I play for fun, not for some misguided notion that I am better than everyone else because I have good gear in a computer game
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I think it’s about time you 2 got a room.
but how can people hate wow tokens really ?
i mean - what wow tokens give to me is
5+ years of subsription
literaly everything in in game shop
paid me for 3 of expansions
couple of blizzard games - for example i would probably never buy overwatch in shop - with wow gold ? i bought it 
how can i not be supporter of tokens when they saved me easily couple of hundreds of euro necromancer in diablo ? with wow gold - warcraft reforged ? wow gold again - blizzcon virtual tickets ? wow gold etc etc
you are only looking at it from perspective of person who buys gold - there are plenty of people like me - who never buy gold from blizz - only buy tokens with gold and add it to battle net balance
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No they don’t.
WoW players are schizophrenic. They will argue for world buffs, min-maxing and doing 500 mara pulls as “normal classic experience” but as soon as blizzard adds anything that “breaks” their view of the game all hell breaks lose.
They do not understand that Acti/Blizzard was probably forced to add the mount/boost in BCC by vote from the investors.
In the pitch for classic investors probably threw up this question instantly “How will you earn us money on this? You are adding more products and more strain on the infrastructure and datacenters but no ways to monetize it” (since classic is the same sub you use for live they are really not making money on it) The investors and Acti/Blizz came to a compromise which involved adding certain monetization options with the next classic release aka BCC.
That is how business works you give some, you take some, you compromise and come to an understanding.
But getting the very vocal forum minority to understand this is such a futile effort.
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Your mount costs like 80s, lol.
Kill a few murlocs near Goldshire.
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