even if they buff you and make rogues ahead of every other class we will still never take you usless rogue players into raids!
I personally dont have massive issues with Rogues. One of the reasons is Feral sucks, so I had to swap to Chicken for PvP. You can understand why 4.5k armor and 2.5k hp that casts spells has… limited issues with Rogues.
Having said that, when facing a Rogue 1v1, its still not easy, and im a walking tank. A good Rogue that catches me in the open, be it in chicken form or not will still most likely win the fight, assuming he puts enough cds into it. BGs are a bit different, its not about 1v1.
It also does not take a genius to say Rogues are busted, they retained their original toolkits from Vanilla, same as every other class/spec. The issue is Rogues had more than all the other classes combined. More modern tools that were only nerfed and adjusted in Legion when they lost reset and Gauge.
Yes, everyone got something new, but most of it is still not on par when it comes to the Rogues 1v1 potential.
As for Gladiator, I assume you mean Gharukk. I respect his achievement, but it was in original Wrath. Ages ago. Same reason I dont bring up my multi glad and rank 1 title, and the multiple hero of the Alliance achievements that I have from Cata/MoP. While respectable, they happened ages ago, in a different version of the game.
I dont play a Rogue (as a main), thus my view is realistic, I dont care if Rogues get a nerf or a buff, I play PvP atm only for gear, nothing else. But the reality is that Rogues are in a very good place, and while you cant do everything and do have issues dominating on some fields of battle, you (The Rogues) are insanely powerful on different ones.
Saying “buff me cuz I wanna be a Warr/Ret/Enha in BGs” only means that they need to get nerfed when it comes to 1v1.
I will also leave the following here, this is from one of your own who does tournaments (Since that somehow matters):
Again, we got to the point that you don’t see the posts you write in, you’re just personally biased towards the rogues. The point was to get the Shadow Cloak so the rogues could and were able to get rid of dots, which would allow them to get back into stealth. This would get me back to the Open World pvp and STV event, where it would help a lot. By the way, what did Payo do in that video that he couldn’t do as a mage or druid? Kill 3 characters? A mage can do this without being touched.
Also you mentioning all the time rogues kit which is for 1 v 1 and that what happens when you met rogue in open for 1 v 1. THats not the part of the question. Roguns have always been strong at 1v1, but that’s the point of the character. As long as you have a trinket here that doesn’t get rid of your stun, you’ll keep dying and it doesn’t matter if roguna has a shadow cloak or not. The point is that most fights and events are not really 1v1.
And as for the gladiator, yes. Sorry, I won’t take seriously achievements from old expansions that anyone could just pick up, classic was never and never will be balanced to be considered somehow relevant. This brings me to the fact that you have too much ego for how rogues should be played for not even reaching gladiator.
Well, its not ego if I am right. Which you can take to the bank that I am. None of the top Rogues, at least to my knoweledge have ever stated that Rogues were bad or needed fixing. Ofc, everyone wants buffs, but saying im biased because I state the obvious is not realistic.
You had multiple Rogues go down the list of how a fight goes, and then they start inventing new spells that classes dont have and somehow forget their own toolkit which counters the stuff these classes have. I went into full detail on a Feral fight vs a Rogue.
Also, unless I misunderstood you, I have already told you, I have been Gladitor 2 times, Rank 1 once and 3x HoTA. All these in Cata and MoP. So if titles are what you value and think matters, then you should by all means agree to what I am saying (Which is flawed thinking, but you keep bringing old tiles up). My general understand of PvP is still high enough where I know that one trinket does not counter the fact that a good Rogue can perma lock you down in a fight. NOT in a BG, you are not playing alone, but in my xp ? Most of the pvp people care about ends up being ganking and 1v1 fights.
I did also consented that I think Blizzard will give Rogues Cloak, not because they need it, they very much do not. Blizzard will do it because its MUCH easier and cost effective to just rip out another old spell, and not invent something new. Its more of a budget issue.
The skill issue of rogues this sod is overwhelming. I am lvl 35 rogue with runes and i beat every single duel in world and also pump bfd raid excepto la tortuga.
You know what? Every rogues left to counter strike 2 and now oldge palas and warrior with no reflexes rerolled cause tha tank thing. Thats why.
SO many rogues, SO little skill.
I have been hosting pugs for Gnome on 5 chars now, and it’s rare for one of the raids to not have a rogue. There are just so many of them /w me, and so fast, that usually one of the first 3 spots to be filled is by a rogue.
Now if you were to ask me: do you take the first rogue that /w you?
The answer is: no, cause there are like 5 or 6 of them /w me, so I check them out and take the best/the first with good scores.
If you then were to ask me: do you do the same with tanks?
My answer would be: no, i just make sure they have experience.
Why? Because there are 1 million rogues, and 100 tanks.
See the difference? You’re just bad, that’s why you don’t get invited.
Roll rogue tank, I’m sure your views (at least regarding PvE) will change DRASTICALLY.
But you won’t, cause you’re a pewpew no skill hero wannabe. Just like 99% of the rogues out there.
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I gotta agree with junglebeard here. Soon as you start hosting and taking a look at that lfg board my list is normally.
Last spot needs a healer with dispell (priest) - there will be like 15 lister
And then
LFG rogue full prebis with wbs and consumes - and there will be like… 9 of these. And normally about 3/4 times the volume of other people looking.
Honestly the best advice is get your knowledge in order and make your own. Rogues are literally your last choice as a raid builder cos there is literally so many rogues. And most of them you need to hold their hand. Telling people to switch on the second boss. Asking for someone to pop the button on last boss of there is no ranged without the debuff etc. They never look. You have to and then direct.
If you can start being a decent RL capable of tanking and directing and keeping an eye on stuff you will always be able to get a raid for every lockout easy.
If it’s that important to you. Learn your stuff. The meta right now for rogue is hands down tanking if you want to pug. If you want to DPS Good luck basically. Enjoy your countless ignored messages and hours spent in lfg 
I’m ret paladin and it’s easy to get 2k coins per run as 5 ret pala. So that doesn’t make sense.
Yet paladins are asking for buffs 
I’ve seen your 5 man teams. We just steer clear of thst degeneracy. If you see a 5 pack of paladins just kite em 
and giggle
This isn’t the full story of people wanting cloak, it goes further beyond.
Magical based DPS and CC abilities will be even further useless against a class that has a kick/mobility/multiple stuns ready to prevent any counterplay from anyone.
This is seriously not needed with a toolkit that is frontloaded with good CC/Vanish/Mobility.
Yeah, you know that most of the spells stuns on SOD cant prevent anything? Try to use Stun, Vanish or kick against “laser” from Lock, or Dots from Priests, Shamans, Locks.
You can have a duel with a warlock that will Soul Siphon on you and as a rogue you have no way to break it. You can stun him, it still works, vanish, it still works. Same Shadow Priest, same Shaman.
The only argument you use is that rogues can kill someone within a stun lock. It will only happen if you are a weak player with weak gear because rogues don’t have enough energy for it in most cases, if you don’t use Tea, it will cost you, but it always costs 30 silver. And that’s another thing that could be fixed if Trinket worked on stun. And also what is wrong about it? That they will be able to use Shadow Cloak with probably 5 mins CD when there is every single character that has some kind of defensive ability, new ability BCS of Sod, except rogue? 
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Try go gnomer as rogue tank instead its more easy to find a raid thats looking for a TANK
Pls don’t quit bro what will we do without you the game will surely die
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exactly. and 5 mins. and only in 1v1.
too bad you don’t need your CDs at all if you deal busted damage to begin with. but hey people play rogues like toddlers and believe its bad and unplayable, actually a skill issue.
you literally wont even need thistle tea to kill people, doing it all the time tbh.
Same skill issue as your full bis paladin. I see ur trying padovan. Over 80 now
“Hello, is this 911? Yeah, I’d like to report a serious case of B-b-b-burn!!!”
Tough talk for someone who aims for 99 on all and still fails at doing that, even toddlers get a 99 on rogue. Talk when you have earned 99 on every boss.
Haha! Well talk when you get one 99 atleast 