1400-1599: Combatant title
1600-1799: Challenger title
1800-2099: Rival title + elite cloak
2100-2399: Duelist title + elite set
2400: Elite title + PvP tabard (bought from vendor)
2550: Unique PvP Tyranny weapon enchant (bought from vendor)
2700 & 15 wins: Gladiator title + Gladiator mount
Thoughts?
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Agree.
And this coming from someone who just isnât good in arena.
Youâre a good player? Good, you get rewarded.
Youâre an absolute monster? You deserve good rewards that distinguish you from the common rabble.
Youâre a bad player? Sorry ,you get default.
I donât know. Cloaks are always terrible, no one equips then, and that means thereâs basically no good reward until you reach 2100 if we follow your plan.
I get that this is the arena forums, and the people posting here can reach 2100 without breaking a sweat - but the goal is also to give PvE players and new players an incentive to partake in ranked PvP.
Iâd do it that way:
1600: elite cloak
1800: elite weapon skin (remember those?)
2000: elite set
2200: elite tabard
2400: elite enchantment
2600: youâve most likely earned the Glad mount by the time your reach that rating.
Youâre not going to get higher participation (which I think most would agree that pvp needs) by making rewards harder to get
One of the only reasons I did any pvp at all this season is because I like collecting mounts, and Iâm definitely not alone in this
I like the current scheme but I do think that 1800 is a low bar for getting an elite set, 2k felt good.
Not much for new pvp players to look forward to with that reward structure.
Thatâs the reason to have rewards at lower rating, to give incentives for new players to step into arena.
Exactly. And this is my point. You want the elite set at 2100? Good. Get good at the game and grind it until you get it. When you see someone with the elite set at 2100, and you havenât got it yourself but you really really want it because it looks sick, you need to ask yourself this:
Why do you not have it? Are you not as good them? How do you get it then? You get better or as good as them of course, and you strive to get to that rating no matter what.
Let me tell you, thereâs no better feeling. I remember in Wrath when I would see people with the shoulders or the 2.2 weapon I think it was, and I didnât have these items because I wasnât good enough and they were. And it motivated me massively to get that rating and reap the rewards.
You make the rewards harder to get and more challenging, and the rewards become more desirable.
I share your mindset. I left the elite set at 2000 after all.
I simply believe that you need other compelling rewards before you reach that state. So that you donât grind for nothing and get 0 reward until youâre in the top 3% of the PvP ladder.
Elite weapons at 1800 seems fair to me.
1800 for elite set is a joke. Needs to be at LEAST 2200. Also iâve always wondered why that ugly cloak requires 2100 when literally none is using it.
I agree on some things and not others. The enchant should be more prestigious and be put back at 2400 (Tho itâs a pity the SL âSinful Flameâ looks terrible imo). Gladiator should be how it was in legion and be % based.
In terms of the elite set, Iâm happy with how it is. A proceedural unlocking system starting from 1.4 through 1.8 got a lot of my friends into arena who had never taken part before.
It was fun playing alts and learning with them and helping them with their start to arena. Unlocking these pieces from low rating upwards gives an incentive to play and learn rather than setting the bar at 2.1.
If the new players want the rewards, they get good at the game and they earn them, like everyone else.
If thereâs a sick new pvp tabard coming out, do you expect/realistically think they deserve to get the tabard at a lower, say 1800 rating; during their first ever competitive season?
Of course not. The tabard loses all of its desirability because of your suggestion. You give them a goal and they work towards it. If they donât get 2400 and they donât get the tabard, but they worked hard for it, so what? Theyâve likely learned and developed as a player, and can work harder for it next season (assuming the tabard changes and is updated every season, which I think it should)
I agree they should be rewarded at lower ratings - they have an elite cloak to look forward (assuming it looks cool) and 2 titles. The most important reward however, is the next one.
Elite should be 2.1-2.3k rating. This comes from casual pvp player who never aims for high ratings and plays just for fun.
I think pvp set as whole should be different from pve set and not just recolor.
Okay, you donât want new blood in arenas because it hurts your ego. Gotcha.
Really, thatâs what all these requests always boils down to, and itâs always about removing anything fancy from lower ratings.
Doubt many would care about those crumbs you toss out. For titles to be desirable they need to be cooler sounding than the current pvp titles. Thereâs a reason people suffer through the grind of getting âthe insaneâ title, but nobody has ever mentioned âchallengerâ as a goal.
having rewards for lower ratings is a great thing and needs to be done. however, they donât need to dump the high rating rewards for achieving this.
There were some season in the past where R1 was around this rating. Not every season is this inflated like in bfa.
I would rather see glad give like in the old days to % of players.
Youâre really comparing âthe insaneâ title to âchallengerâ?
Challenger is an entry lvl reward, no one cares about that. Itâs like earning bronze in the training mode in Pandaria. People care about the high end stuff.
Itâs nothing to do with an ego btw. I mentioned that in wrath I wasnât good enough to get the rewards that were so sought after at the time at specific ratings, but worked my a*se off to try and get them. I didnât get them until like like 2 more expansions, and It felt amazing when after 2 years I got the rewards that closely resembled the ones I failed to get in the first instance.
Getting gladiator in BfA didnât feel anything like this. It felt quite the opposite. Earning something that was previously so difficult, to getting it without any real effort involved. Same goes with the tabard and the flame enchant in BfA.
Disagree with Gladiator. It should just be top 0.5% or something like 50 wins in a dynamic top 1% / top 0.5% bracket, but the latter would be harder to implement
Well tbh thatâs kind of what we have right now with a slightly bigger percentage, because said percentage gets biggger over time. This system isnât good regardless of the percentage as it allows people yo go high and drop to boost, so the overall number of gladiators who donât deserve it will still be high. The problem with a system like that is that the number of given titles is infinite. So there is no value in it.
elite sets are so garbage I would not mind people getting them for 1k rating tbh
even the illusion is trash