Ye. That might actually be a good thing. Even if you get less back, rare mats could be returned to you. Gets my vote!
I don’t like this system. It’s a whole game in itself. So maybe good for those who had all the time in the world the first two weeks making sure to get the most out of crafting and gathering then, and for those who play to craft.
For the rest of us… nope. Crafting is dead to me. Gathering is the only option, then to support one guild crafter for each. Possibly.
yeah its really bad, so many in my guild picked a wrong talent tree and just quit the game,as they saw how long it would take, to undo it
Crafting become pure RNG my friend, one RNG is getting knowledge points for your spec, once you exhaust quests and such, in 1 week I didn t received not a single point of knowledge because… pure RNG.
On top of that, you have RNG on crafting procs as well, so I am not that idiot to fight 2 RNG-based crafting system, whoever does it in my opinion just live in a bubble and continuously ignore the reality.
On paper what you saying sounds like the most beautiful disney movie
but reality is different
I’ve made over 3 million from professions, and all that gold is not from the professions I leveled early on, because I messed up their tree. In the beggining I was overwhelmed and angry at the new system too, until I found how to use it for gold. It works. You just need to understand how.
The only rng part about getting crafting knowledge is dragonshard of knowledge. Other than that, there’s nothing rng about it. There’s weekly quests, weekly pick ups etc. If I’m able to get reliably all the knowledge possible on 5 crafters, so can you. If you wish to go out of professions do it, more gold for us who are in them. But it’s 100% possible to make profit out of them.
Crafting in WoW has been and will always be broken because there’s no recurring demand for crafted items, so inflation just kills any value in profs, except maybe flasks.
Recrafting is an attempt to circumvent it without introducing “you die, you lose your gear”.
Currently you can craft 418 gear. This is 3 ilvls higher than mythic raid gear. With the stats you want as well AND you can target the slot of the item you want. People will level alts and they will want to gear them. There will always be a demand for crafter gear.
As someone who played sandboxes with REAL demand for items, trust me when I say: this is nowhere remotely enough to offset the number of crafters.
Maybe, we’ll have to wait and see. Currently as a crafter, it’s very easy for me to find sales by waiting in trade chat. Not even spamming. Just waiting for people who are looking for crafters. But I’m not doing M+. Not doing raiding. I’m doing crafting and that’s it. I’m focused on this. And ofc I have a huge advantage compared to someone who isn’t doing crafting as their main thing.
In my experience this is just not feasible.
There are way too many recipes/plans/schematics behind renown or drop walls.
I’ve been stuck on 60 engineering for a while now, I got 1 point recently just for crafting something that requires a crap-ton of materials and isn’t feasible as a go-to thing to craft and get points.
Crafting orders are basically non-existent; I’ve literally not seen one all the times I’ve checked. And I’m not going to go into trade and ‘sell my crafting’. That’s not what I enjoy or do. I just want to level up my crafting by making stuff; but I literally can’t.
So I agree with the OP on that point.
I don’t agree that gold is a problem; there’s plenty of ways to make gold.
And having a less than optimal ‘build’ for your gathering profession really isn’t a problem as well; you CAN still make gold with it and you’ll earn more points soon enough to unlock other stuff.
Not necessarily, but let’s say for enchanting noone will ever buy 1star at this point, while two star is sold at like 40-50% loss.
Unless you have a lot of inspiration and a way to procc 3 stars, you can’t even dream of seeing money in near future.
And you won’t because to level up above 60 you need expensive crafts without even being able to reach 2 star. While max ranked people already have optimized builds and dump the prices even further, making this prof not only a 1 mio goldsink but also timegated.
As a Blacksmith you can only level with items that need spark of inspiration, which is messed up.
Orders are dead and this is just bad.
Alchemy is way easier to level up.
Blacksmith needs a serious rework.
I ffelt recrafting was more of introduced to encourage missive use and artificially raise recipe levels.
Nothing about circumventing anything tbh.
Facilitate might be a better word. It’s there for the same reason we had to recraft legendaries in SL, so ppl can’t just buy an item once per expansion and make professions irrelevant once everyone has it.
I guess recrafting is designed to be a lottery system of some sorts, but how much work it will generate for crafters in the coming months is a big question.
I agree OP. They literally slowed down as much as possible the progression of these new talent-based professions, then to add insult to injury they added SO MANY talent points to each skill, and then made the minimum talent points requirement to progress to the next skill ridiculously big. AND THEN they went and made the talents non-resettable!! So that after a year or two of farming, basically for the entire duration of the expansion, we will NOT have maxed our professions…
Although I wish I had know about it earlier, because when leveling my trial Evoker to 63, I was collecting good item level piece-by-piece up to 250-ish, bought some gear from the AH when it was cheap, was missing some slots, then I realized the craft orders system is probably quite affordable, bought some cheap mats, and got some slots of 316 gear delivered, usable from level 61 and up, while on the AH e.g. a ring like that is listed for 4000 gold or so.
When I imagine half my gear being ilvl 316 at level 61, that would have sped things up a lot.
But what bothers me is the lack of negotiation layer in the system. I would like to order an Atomic Recalibrator, but few can craft it, so the order system is appealing, but I actually don’t know whether anyone using that system cane make it, and who would be insane enough to buy 10K gold worth of mats for an order you don’t know will be fulfilled? - So for that thing I would have to manually find a crafter in trade chat anyway, but then probably somehow coordinate to use the orders system so that I don’t get ripped off.
so, was this not one of the main selling point of this expansion the reworked professions ?
let me guess…
people try harded it and rushed, and left most the games population behind, now its bad?
like that has never happened before in wow?
It’s not even about that. Blizzard has forced a very slow progression of professions on us, by creating such a huge requirement of talent points for EACH SKILL. Then made the acquisition of knowledge points very rare and negligible. Why are there so many skills and that many required skill points (20 per major skill) to progress anyway?
Hi.
People exploited shovelspots to get infinite KP’s.
Thats not ‘try harding’.
without seeing it myself i can’t really answer that.
@Parelia
i dunno that sounds pretty try hardy to me.