Well, considering that by their own (admittedly irreconcilably inconsistent) rules, they’ve been “misgendering” my characters throughout Shadowlands, they are in no position to talk.
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Yes.
I too recall both Ghostcrawler and Ion recounting how they kept the tried-and-true approach of adding more talents and more abilities to every class each expansion for as long as they could, until they reached Cataclysm and concluded that this was as far as the original design systems could be stretched.
And so they got overhauled for MoP.
A lot of them.
In sheer design overhaul there is a lot more between Cataclysm and MoP than between any other two expansions. That’s where WoW adopts all the design systems that we still have today.
Prior to MoP they just iterate on the existing design.
I don’t care how much money Blizzard gets to shovel into the bank. I don’t get a cut.
I only care about the game I’m playing and what I get value out of as a player.
Don’t confuse my motivations for Blizzard’s. Like I’ve already said many times now, then I understand why they perpetuate this player feedback relationship, because it keeps people like you hanging around. But that doesn’t mean I have to like it. And I don’t.
It’s their prerogative to take it away. They’re in charge. It’s their game. It’s their vision to carry out.
How did removing flying help the game exactly? Well that’s not the point, is it? The point is that Blizzard should have the freedom to assert creative control over their own game, regardless of whether it applies to flying or paintings of women.
I don’t enjoy retail, and to be honest they pretty much ruined Classic for me. You can guess why my sub remains but mostly it’s to RP, and make a little gold for future subs at this point.
I will say something, that subs/revenue tripled when WoW Classic originally released.
Another thing quite a few people don’t seem to think about very often is that not having as much fun as you used to with the game is another issue. One that I’ve felt for a while, so even though I would still enjoy WoW over many other MMORPGs I would still have a decent gripe about the state of the game as is.
The other thing is the void that’s left when you’re no longer playing, and the ‘itch’ to come back. Which is scratched, and then you realize you’re really just running circles in Oribos and not playing the game etc.
My other issue these days is how devs respond to general feedback, instead of heading off UNCONSTRUCTIVE feedback or something a specific person said that was offensive at them for said changes… They basically push the narrative that everyone’s being unreasonable for disliking said changes, and generally mock said people while telling them to ‘get over it and quit if they don’t like it’.
Not talking about money necessarily but you should care to a degree if WoW is making enough to be sustained. I was more talking about success in general, if Blizzards vision delivers dud after dud, then your game will stop existing, like I previously mentioned this design is despised by the majority of players, the sub count is under 2 million, what happens if the next expansion further decreases the playerbase to idk 100 000, do you think that is enough for a 11.0 ?
How is it not the point ? Why should you have “creative freedom” if all you do is ruin the things that are successful ?
Yes, I also think I remember GC saying something about it as well, but I can’t recollect the specific discussions.
I still believe my memory of the point is right, though, because I was impressed by them making the decision so far ahead, in Wrath. I guess, unless we can find the clips, we won’t resolve the conflict.
Nope. I only care about my own selfish game experience and the enjoyment I get out of that, because that’s what I pay for.
As a fairly average guy it is not my responsibility to care in any way whatsoever about the well-being of an American billion dollar capitalistic company. It is absolutely ridiculous to suggest that I should care about Blizzard’s money. I don’t see them caring about my money, and I have a lot less than they have!
But if you want to donate money to Blizzard whenever they fall on hard times so they can keep WoW going, by all means go ahead. But I’ll pass on that.
That’s fine. It will have had a good run then.
As a counter-point, then if WoW constantly keeps changing its design vision, then it’s really only WoW in name.
Because Blizzard has ownership. You don’t. And neither does any other players. And I believe I’m paying for a product made by Blizzard. If you’re not on their payroll and your name isn’t in the credits section, then you shouldn’t have a say.
WoW isn’t a game made by Blizzard and friends. It’s a game made by Blizzard. And when Blizzard changes some paintings of women in the game, then that’s their creative freedom and people can cry as much as they want about it, but that’s also where it stops. Trying to wrestle that creative control from Blizzard is just a no no. In my opinion of course.
I have to go to bed now so I won’t look for anything, but it’s all the same and I’m not even sure what the point of the dispute was anyway. 
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I am a critic of Blizzard, but i always targeted my cricicism towards the company, not the developers, as i thought they were also victims of bad managing.
But this changes today, and i thought the one to fault for the game being in this state was the higher ups fault, pfft…
You can take these changes and pat yourselves in the back while your game dies and your competitors take the spoils, i don’t care. There are other companies in the market that don’t do these ridiculous and pathetic virtue signaling crusades in their products and ruin them, stripping all flavor out of it.
Do these people in a bubble? Wake up for reality, the world is not California.
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Devs are already claiming they are doing it for themselves, the odds of a dozen dev being forced by the legal department to write that on their private twitter are very small & would just take blizzard to even worse legal issues. Very unlikely to say the least.
To be fair i’m fairly sure players would’ve loved it back then. For example there was an iirc late vanilla or early BC post from a player basically describing legion’s artifacts on WoWhead and wondering about how cool it would be to have a weapon you could upgrade over time outside of raids etc.
Whut ? Can’t remember a single triple A or similar kind of studio that didn’t change their twitter with a rainbow for pride month for example. Most if not all companies at this level just preach that virtue signalization dogma.
My example was Azerite, not legion artefacts, huge difference. Tell TBC players “we are removing tier sets to give you procs that barely impact gameplay” and see what happens.
They’re incompetent.
They could at least be humble and admit their incompetence and work better and more efficiently to fix issues that affect the game and are very obvious, but no, they’re arrogant and disconnected from reality on top of that.
People who say that others should calm down because only x y z got removed should just wait until something gets removed what they like and care about for no reason.
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I’ve interacted with friends with /lick for years and I’m going to be sad when they remove it.
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When it comes to all the little changes/removals I was abit weirded out by it but honestly Im now over it. WoW is a very old game so it makes sense that they might go back and alter a few things, esp if they dont really fit with the direction they want the game to go (and its not Grand Theft Auto so Im happy if they keep it more pg).
I do think they have lost touch with the core game experience though and could probably benefit from actually paying attention to what players are saying.
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Yeah, very pg: gore, violence, collecting heads for quests, using plague, having genocide. Have you seen some of messed up things in BfA visions or Brennadam in Stormsong? If you actually pay attention to what is happening, WoW is pretty crazy.
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I remember when there were game features that I really enjoyed being removed from the game, and no one batted an eye at my plight.
Sure there were one or two Shamans who agreed with me that the removal of Totem Loadouts was a poor decision, but for the most part it was people saying “You got these effects as passives now, what’re you complaining about?”
So I know exactly how it is when something gets removed from the game for one reason or another.
Maldraxxus is a zone all by itself a good presentation of everything that’s not very PG with the game.
Oh but hey, so long as none of them show cleavage or say any naughty words, then all is fine and dandy.
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but this game is not rated PG.
World of Warcraft is rated T (Teen) by the ESRB for blood and gore, crude humor, mild language, suggestive themes, and use of alcohol and violence.
you know whats really annoying me ? that if you go to some servers, especially german servers, you can find naz* guilds and no one is doing anything about it.
but hey, as long as the game is a bit less naughty and more woke, who cares.
they arent making it PG. if we go by their statement, they make force in woke ideas.
if not, upper activision management made a decision to go with the recent american political spectrum.
I had a guild that is somewhat similar to that in classic, it was called something like “Cuddle Fish” or whatever but once inside all the guild ranks were renamed to ranks the Third Reich used, for example instead of a Guild master we had an Obergruppenführer, I found it funny and there was no actual yatzee stuff in the chat/discord/coms, just the names. But I get what you are saying.
Oh it will happen real soon.
I used /spit when someone kicked me with no reasons or when that ML just ninja my loot. I used /lick while stealth before killing that gnome.
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based and gnomepwningpilled
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