It’s stupid - the 2-set on my mage does 11-13% overall damage.
And its acquisition is RNG based.
Imagine your access to the final talent row waas based on random drops from bosses. Because this is what tier sets are.
Removal of tier sets in bfa was the best thing ever… why did they bring this stupid thing back and made it predominantly accessible via raiding?
Community kept listing those in “this things will save WoW” type of lists and a lot of people where whining about wanting tier sets back.
Thank them
Wanting tier sets does not mean you support the current method of acquisition though?
I don’t mind the tier sets. I just wish they would be acquired in a way where everyone gets them at roughly the same pace.
but tier sets are basically “talents”… Why not just add an extra row of talents, sheesh.
There you have the problem.
Imo Tier sets should exists, but be dungeon/raid/pvp drops AND craftable, like in TESO.
Make then a part of default gameplay loop, not something that is Raid only.
Edit: For example my Monster set and armor set in TESO allows me to summon a helper that heals over the course of 5 seconds 25k HP on its own to the person with lowest HP next to it and my Mana costs are reduced by 10% (which is much).
I fail to see any line where tier sets could possibly save WoW…
I don’t know don’t ask me, I was legit fine that they removed them.
People need to chill on tier sets, you will get them, it’s a marathon, not a sprint.
Yeah some M+/Raid pugs are gatekeeping content for those without tier sets but this is a problem with the players, not the items.
Try not to get so hung up on it and focus on enjoying the game, by the time tier sets are craftable, I’m sure you’ll have your set and then it’ll be what 6-9 months before the next patch?
tier sets are fine just the rng needs to stop…
You will be able to craft these tier sets later on there wont be rng on them in this system
the issue is “later” - some people got lucky and pwn in both PvE and PVP with tier sets when other have none
This is the part that is destroying the fun tbh. Tier pieces would be fun if they werent gated for stupid reasons.
Question is why gate it in the first place? people who got lucky smashed through m+ effortlesly and pushed their rating while others get declined every key for not even having 2pc.
This stuff has always been rng.
And you have ksm, what’s it realistically holding you back from?
Everyone wants big numbers, but people also want something to look forwards to.
From my pov I’m stronger than I was and getting stronger rapidly, I’d have been happier if the catalyst were already in place but I understand the need to pace it.
That is how tier sets have been in the past you just had even fewer chances to get them as you had to raid for being even able to get them.
Basically, it is far less of an rng thing right now than it used to be.
Tier sets used to be something you ONLY could get from raids it is now possible to get it in many different ways.
You will be able to create tier sets later on there is a lot of time left before next expansion is coming.
Actually… there used to be PvP tier sets, you know. Ancient times… not =P
Well it also used to be a PVP only stats those do not exist anymore.
But yeah my mistake there as i do not do pvp i forgot about those.
But those also took a decent amount of time to get if i remember correctly several weeks grind for being able to get them.
Why is everyone saying that? In Wotlk and Cataclysm you even had the chance to get base items with valor. Sure, the better version was dependent on tokens from the raid, which were rng based as you said.
https://www.wowhead.com/guide=cataclysm&tier-11
The problem I have that there is no base version and for some classes tier pieces are so fundamentally changing the play style that the class does feel incomplete without them.
If a borrowed power does not provide a simple %push on your dps and instead not optaining it means playing a broken class for a month it is absolutely flawed. catalyst should have been there from the start.
Because you’ll end up with endless power creep… tier-sets offer burrowed power without grind, because it goes with the normal gear aquisition and for inly the duration of a patch, which is nice for a change.
But yes, set-prieces should be more easily aquired: through vendors + currency or 2-set bonus from world bosses (as were Archavon / Tol Barad).
And also: wanting tier-sets back meant wanting class-transmogs back for most… not the soulless raid theme sets we got.
OOF yeah you deff did not play at the time then.
If you believe this is a long time to get tier then you would hate that system it took AGES to get tier gear using valor
You’ve done nothing to aquire the items, aside from 1 kill on 2 bosses and some M+ on your main, yet you keep spamming the forums with all your rubbish. It’s your own fault if you can’t be bothered to hunt for them.
The tier sets are good and a welcome addition. Everyone will have them soon, I see no problem.