Only problem is that we are not handing out guns which has a clear single use (to cause harm…justified or not different debate).
But more like a kitchen knife. Valuable tool for every household…yet they can be used for malicios stuff as well. Should we ban kitchen knifes completely and brand them as “deadly weapons”?
Well, at least where I´m from we generally don´t hand out the big, sharp kitchen knives to children or people with known mental deficiencies, either.
Again, I´m not arguing against Details in general, I´m arguing specifically against the OPs suggestion of hardcoding dmgmeters into the game as baseline, and merely overstepped a bit in my initial statement by saying that they should be disabled…
Though I would still postulate that for most of the people that would actually be an overall improvement because it would shift their focus as well as that of the general community onto the things that enable proper DpS, like proper execution of mechanics, and not the pure DpS numbers themselves.
I can´t remember whether it was on the forums or reddit, but I distinctly remember a recent post by someone whining about not being able to beat Zek’Vir?? phase 1 on his ret despite doing 1,5 million DpS and killing the eggs, “It must be a bug, his life keeps going back up”… When asked if he was kicking the heal, he replied with “what heal?”
Blizzard don’t have limitless resources and time to be able to account for every disability. Plus, they are kinda playing catchup in regards to accessibility when compared to others. Addons have been able to help alleviate the issues I and other disabled people would have otherwise faced while playing this game we all enjoy.
Look, I agree that some addons are very problematic in regards to the balancing of various aspects of the game. But banning all addons is too draconian a response and will impair a percentage of the playerbase’s enjoyment of the game. I would not be able to play with the base UI and accessibility options, and I wouldn’t be the only one.
Well Blizzard baking in a widely used addon into the game(#gearscore = ilevel, rio = m+ score) is not something unheard of and dmg metters are widely used by petty much all echelons of pvers(from lfr to ce raiders, from heroic dungeneers to 0.1%nters).
For me, i am neutral. Doesnt change much if I have to go download/update my dps addon or I skip that step.
I rather have a choice which interface I use. So no thanks.
Imagine all the bloat the game would have if they added a lot of the functions that addons have, Is good how it is. I also do not like things like the default edit mode, and so i had to get more addons to fix that when they added that. The old camera functions got removed, which i needed to prevent severe motionsickness, so i solved that with an addon. Its entierly optional stuff. If you think the addons make your raids easier and do not want that, form a group with likeminded people who refuse to use those addons.
While absolutely true, that doesn´t necessarily make ita good thing… for example, alcohol and Nicotine are also widely used through almost all echelons of society, and I dare say the majority misuse them (if one could even consider any use as “correct”, given the health detriments, which is not to say I don´t drink and smoke, too)
And it´s the similar with DpS meters… most people do not actually benefit from their use because it´s not the core reason they’re having issues at the level they play at… we have to always remember in these discussions that most people are not running +10s /raiding HC or higher, the majority of the population has always been below that level. And at the corresponding level of play, DpS more often than not borders on being irrelevant, especially later in the season when they too are running around in 619+ gear… And therefore there´s no actual reason to measure it in the first place.
For ex. in one of the communities run by a RL friend that I occasionally help out in, people regularly throw in the idea that people need to be kicked for doing less than 1 mio dps… in NHC raid, when they´re wiping because despite calls I’m the only one DpSing the Parasites on Ovinax, or they can´t get their together and stack on SKeinspinner for the decurse, so the cataclysmic thingie pops off. But sure, the people not doing 1 mio DpS are the problem, not the entire raid or at least 25+/30 people flat out ignoring basic mechanics
And at the levels where it does start to become relevant, people are generally well accustomed to using addons and analyzing logs, anyway, so one addon more or less is no real skin off their back
Therefore I see no reason to “force” people to track a metric that means nothing to their gameplay expereince, as even if M+ and Raid were completely segregated subsets of players (and we must acknoewledge that there is a significant overlap between teh 2) and PvPers were significantly more prevalent, it still likely wouldn’t add up to even 50% of the playerbase across all difficulty levels. And while someone running delves or OW content might be interested to know how their DmG “stacks up”, it´s not only irrelevant in that situation but also provides no real avenue for objective comparison to the performance of other players…
And there is simply no reason to kick someone in NHC /HC /Timewalking inis for “low DpS”, but we already see that happening on a semi regular basis if certain posts are to be believed. Baking in DMG meters would therefore only further assist that level of brain-dead gatekeeping in the most casual of content by effectively becoming a “blizzard approved metric”, while providing zero tangible benefit to those that actually “need” them for analytics.
To be honest, you are right but unfortunately UI Blizzard is TERRIBLE! I am sure they can do much better! I just cant play without addons!!!
I have absolutely no idea what most people use it for if you mean something else. But sure then i am kidding myself.
Really, we´re going down this route, now?
Most people use it as a pure DpS meter, i dare say most don´t even know it can track other things. And this has been the case since the first such addons such as recount were introduced back in TBC.
Hell, it´s even posted on Curse as “Details! Damage Meter”…
I am a main healer. I basically play without meters. The thing is for looking back if something went wrong or when i felt like i had to do way too much healing.
And what is actually wrong with a dps meter and analise that? At least you can check stuff ingame with details instead of needing to go to a 3rd party website without any option to get easy pulls analised.
With all due respect, do I have to personally excuse myself to every single forum member for overstating my argument, now that I´ve already done it twice? Not gonna happen, sorry.
Sorry. My game seems to be completely different from yours. You make statements which i can not verify in any way. So you are probably kidding yourself, indeed?
Whatever, enjoy the forums, because now you´re obviously just trolling.
Reported you. Whatever.
Have a nice evening.
I look at threads like this, and I understand why Blizzard has stopped listening to the community.
This thread is near the top of General, has loads of replies, and none of it is helpful to the game.
how about no? if they ban addons then im moving to a different game and not looking back. the new ui is stupid and i refuse to play without an addon bringing back the old one
After addons we will need to fight for removal of combat log, yeah.
Absolutely not, under any circumstances. If you can´t properly analyze your mistakes after the fact, you can´t improve them. This is like arguing for the removal of Black Boxes from airplanes… “It crashed and everyone died, we´ll just have to ask the survivors what happened”
And then we have literally no idea what is going on in a fight ever. Sounds like a good idea.