Back in Cataclysm, I was able to obtain full PvP bis in around 2 months, the rest of the opening patch was about having !!!<<< fun >>>!!!
Currently you have not even the slightest chance of obtaining that state, where your character is maximized in effectiveness.
The worst part of the current system is that it’s highly RNG based in a COMPETITIVE game, that makes a serious requirement for the gear system to be usable… and that is, that gear doesn’t matter too much… which turns out to be absolutely true, from 370+ you’re practically maxxed out and still not.
Because of the idiotic class fantasy system, characters can kill each other through a pure ‘absolute counter’ system.
It would be somewhat good if it were a rock-paper-scizor, but unfortunately there are some automagic guns and titanium shields in the mix along with some peebles too.
I get what you’re saying, but it seems to me you’re only talking about PvP. That’s fine and all, but not at all what I’m talking about. I don’t PvP and couldn’t care less about it and I view it as ‘a niche side activity’.
For instance; you say
For me it isn’t a competitive game. It’s a cooperative game, when it comes to multiplayer content.
But overal, TF shouldn’t matter to PvPers either. Yeah you could have a lucky high item, but does that single item honestly break anything? I don’t think it does.
Now, if the aquiring of the regular items is also down to RNG, then that’s a problem with PvP gearing and not with TF, so a totally seperate issue.
Just dropping in to say that I got an iLevel 375 trinket from +2 Motherlode on my warr.
I don’t feel good about such titanforges.
Legion and BfA marred the image of warforge and titanforge. If you see “titanforge” you now expect a massive upgrade, so if they were to change or nerf the system, they should abolish those terms and make upgrades something to work toward.
You know, the things that got me doing content in Cata and MoP were the tokens I could collect from various sources. I had different ways to gear up and reforge my gear. That was steady growth from the start up, ways to gear yourself up by doing content and not being entirely bound to RNG.
Now it’s just loot pinata.
That’s because ppl just don’t like it…
SOME people don’t like it. Plenty of others like it.
A few like it. Rest are hating it.
That’s your opinion. It’s not a fact.
yeah most of the people dont like it. hopefully blizzard changes its mind soon
“That’s your opinion. It’s not a fact.”
Funny how that works right?
One of us is living in a bubble, or both camps are at a middleground.
I haven’t heard a single person I play with complain about titanforging. I have a friend who keep saying “Come join the raid, guaranteed titanforges!” (it was “Guaranteed legendaries” back in Legion. It’s just become a funny thing, but never have I heard anyone ingame citizie the system, but I’ve heard people complain about other systems. Titanforging doesn’t seem to be a concern to my social circle, or at least not a big enough concern to complain out loud, which other concerns they have do.
To be fair sometimes there being bigger issues, does not mean there is is no other issues at all.
I am still way more annoyed with the loot trade restriction than any TF, I still think TF is stupid but when I loot a staff I dont need but cant trade cause my mace is not a staff that bursts any borders of “stupid” and reaches into “How could anyone conceivably think this is a good idea?” territory. And in that moment neither I or anyone in the raid or group thinks about TFing cause we are all pissed at PL.
Actually… My statement is totally fact.
I never said more people like or dislike it. Big difference.
They will not change their minds because they have actual data and will know the truth. They aren’t being mislead by hyperbole statements from butthurt elitist players.
the thing is, TF/WF isnt an issue that appears in the game and pushes you into voicing your concern. to elaborate
example 1 - you cant trade loot that dropped - you’ll complain about PL
example 2 - leveling is slooooow and dull - you’ll complain about leveling
exmaple 3 - titanforge happened, nothing to complain in that scenario, its rather an issue that requires people to sit down and think about it to see it as an issue.
Care to show your stats to back it up then? Cause that is kind of required to call something “Fact”.
In case you did not know as per Oxford Dictionary:
Fact: “The truth about events as opposed to interpretation.”
Since you decided to counter an opinion with “fact” it is up to you to prove that fact or, well, admit you made it up. Pick a thing and enjoy 
That is true, but I genuinly don’t think my social circle are bothered by titanforging, though I won’t be able to confirm this, I did get curious and think I am gonna ask about it. I did ask one face to face right after posting, who find gearing to be a very important part of playing(he lost interest in the game several weeks ago). His reply was just a simple “Nah”.
Obviously it doesn’t matter much, like I said, I really do understand the concerns of those of you who don’t like titanforging. I just think it is important to highlight that many players either enjoy it or just don’t care about it too. I don’t believe it is as hated as often described here, and I think perhaps it takes a spesific type of player to hate it(as in, we usually play with people of a similar mindset/goal with the game).
Stop trolling.
I provided a reply which doesn’t need ‘stats’. I’m not making any claims apart from ‘plenty of people DO like TF’. Which is the truth. Plenty of people DO.
Yeah there are also those who don’t like it, but I’m not making any claims and I’m certainly, unlike some in this thread, making claims EVERYONE feels the same way, because that would be completely crazy…
Basically this. There’s a very vocal part of the forum-visiting playerbase (which in itself is a minority of the total playerbase) who dislike TF and have somehow made it their agenda to hate on it. They go to great lengths, often even blaming TF for things it has absolutely nothing to do with. It has to stop, it’s crazy.
For me Titanforging killed, what was was fun after the first clear of a raid (No matter what difficulty you play it at) After that there were some things to do.
1 complete the raidset/get the best gear you can for that tier, which is no longer possible.
2 after you have done that compare yourself to the rest of the field either in the guild or through logs and see where you stand and improve based on the results.
We have reached a point where not even my parses comapred to itemlevel can give me an indication whether I am doing good or not compared to other players of my class (Granted for healing that has always been scewed), I can get a rough idea (if my parses are grey I am just not good no matter how you look at it) but if someone has 10 points more than me that person could either be jsut better than me but I have no clue by how much, could be slightly worse than me but just have better stats/sockets/traits, whatever or could be just as good with better gear. Same is true in reverse.
For me there is absolutely nothing to aim for afte the first clear and our guild went from 35 raiders in the first few weeks to 14 within a week after Heroic ghuun was dead, because a lot of them felt the same way, I simply went to healing, because a lot of healers left and I refuse to let my guild die because Blizzard is too dumb to give proper incentives to reclearing and doing well.
I am sorry for trolling next time someone says “I am saying the truth” I will believe them, forgive my complete and utter lack of faith in the words of a random person on the internet 
You could just have read my previous post. It’s very clear and understandable. No, you were trolling and if I had to hazard a guess; you were trolling because you thought ‘hey, I can turn this around on this person and get some hearts’.
So without even looking at what was actually said you wrote an antagonizing reply. That, my friend, is called trolling.
Neat, I guess discussion is pointless when asking for verification for something that is stated as fact is considered “trolling.”