this is exactly why i say most of the arguments against TF are ego based because people are SELFISH and petty
why not just be happy for your friend or anyone else getting a good grade based on luck, and you got yours from hard work
instead youre crying about how it isnt fair 
its not about the reward solely
its the effort/reward ratio, if one guy has to work actively for something the other guy just gets it magically with the snap of a finger and the wave of a wand that isnt fair is it?
I actually always asked for an option to turn it off for myself. It was totally destroying my own gear progression. And it even went over to influencing the next tier.
who. cares. what. other. people. get.
“oh noes the gear im receiving totally by chance and very rarely is TOO GOOD?”
Yes, it is not fun progressing normal, getting higher gear than heroic. Then you progress heroic and that loot is lower than the normal gear.
Then you get heroic on farm, getting 4 pieces that are 5 ilvl lower than heroic NEXT tier, where you want to progress normal again.
Etc.
How is this good and fun?
I do.
Or you think doing a low key in season 3 warrants a 455 trinket that I haven’t replaced yet on my paladin for my prot set? I was just like “just gonna go faceroll this instance cuz i’m bored”, then I get a 455 trinket from it, better than anything else I got that season and I still, at the end of next season, haven’t gotten any drop to replace it.
Is just an extra RNG system that is not needed, game was fine way before TF.
As i said before if we have to make gear upgradable, it should be something to work for, not RNG bs like unpacking trinkets or killing Jim and not finding a decent ArcanoCrystal while others were around with 970 version of it.
Screw Tf
Titan/Warforging was so balanced that im totally not still using my Trinket from last raid and people totally havent done EP weekly for a chance of the trinket if they didnt alread get it TF/WF no no never cough cough
Ye its totally not like titanforging procced left and right at the very end. Also as people said back then: WF can be tolerated. TF cant be. Its that simple.
If you dont care about gear then whats the difference for you with or without tf?
Very rarely? I had something like 8 455 pieces on chars by the start of this season.
thats your problem right there then, personally never cared for what other people got, did or “earned”
doing old and getting a rare upgrade made it worth doing, sounds good to me
lucky me getting that trinket then
i do care, and it was never an issue
next thing youre gonna tell me is you barely played too 
My paladin had something like 30 runs over the whole season 3. It had 4 455 pieces at the end. That’s not really “very rarely”.
Was not ideal but better than corruptions.
At least initially, where there was no way of targetting those.
Sure LFR player could sometimes get a really strong item, vastly above the content he’s doing. But that was rare and raiding harder content meant better gear on average anyway. And faster good gear too.
Then corruption came and you could get a 420 item with TD (which doesn’t even scale off ilvl but HP), in result that 420 was better than 475 without a corruption. Now that was silly. It’s like titanforging on steroids, equivalent to being able to proc 100 ilvl above mythic raiding for just about anyone.
And then targetted corruptions came which resemble glorified and overpowered gear enchants that have a grind attached to them.
Overall, im satisfied with the late 8.3 version of this system, but this was not a good system to begin with.
It was fine for the most part. Just elitists being angry or jealous about it basically.
And Blizzard actually listened to them… Sad days.
Yes WF/TF is and will be bad design.I don’t want it returning.
You should. Because this RNG plays a BIG part in deciding who goes into raid on boss X and who can pug it.
Why not just be happy that you’ve been benched because you only scored WF and the other guy got TF+extra stat+socket, so now he’s doing 5% more dps than you, so he’s getting the raid spot in any progression and you can wait until it’s end of patch/expansion to see any encounter other than pugging?
I’d prefer to be judged by my deeds, not by whether RNG smiled upon me or not. But whatever floats your boat. Casinos are full of people like you - they’re good for business. For the house, that is.
The most exaggerated evil in the history of this game.
I’m happy warforge and titanforge are gone because it gave me too much reason to do all 4 raid-difficulties every week to hope for forges.
Yeah, it was bad. Good riddance.
I still remember the endless farming of Nethershards and Veiled Arguinite for a chance of TF UA. This was awful.