I am aware they are probably the worst DPS in PVE. but someone told me if i am going to do a lot of BGs then RET isnt that bad, and it actually counters a lot of classes pretty well. Is this true?
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dual spec. heal in raids, pvp/dungeons as ret
that is a fair point. i really wanted dual spec to be available at launch.
Ret is fine everywhere. And I would take ret pala dps over any warrior because they provide too many good stuff - buffs, lay on hands, bop and stuff.
Warriors should just tank, as they offer nothing good to the raid otherwise.
Plus if you have lot of time(for corpse-running) and want to play on pvp servers, ret is good in world pvp so it is good overall.
they are just undisputed rank 1 dps
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I meant in dungeons, before the raids. In raids, you just need raw tanking, no buffs or any other abilities.
And warriors are #1 dps only because we are playing anachronistic, post-AQ40 patch. Tanks did not have enough threat earlier to overrule the huge dps fury warriors had, so people chose rogues instead because of threat reduction. As soon as that patch hit, rogues became obsolete. 
So “no-changes” people can never explain what the hell are fury warriors doing in MC. Not to mention there was no mage armor and other spells during MC times.
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No changes people advocated for proper patch progression long before classic had been released. Blizzard did not listen to them.
Ya, real vanilla experience would have been those earlier patches implemented.
But that did not happen.
That’s real vanilla. Or else we should have done Classic+ to improve some stuff. I mean vanilla itself was ever-changing game, it was not static. Developers were realizing stuff and tweaking it.
thats why we will never ever get the 2005 vanilla feeling. Even if they implement previous patches. We all now know what will happen next.
Only way to get the 2005 vanilla feeling back is classic+ or WoW II
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No, it’s not. Played it P1 2019. It’s trash.
Got world rank 1 logs on Ret in SoD tho. I know what i am talking about.
The gameplay is slow. The hybrid aspect is barely needed as you have full healer in raid that are capable of doing their job. So Ret is reduced in its role to DPS, and the DPS is low.
You permanently have 2-3 second windows with everything on CD and your mana goes down pretty fast.
You need all consumes like warriors + dark runes or demonic runes to make up for that mana issues…or you start downranking spells which leads to DPS loss.
Rets add no buff to the group a healpaladin does not have.
Only positive thing for rets in pve: the warriors and rogues won’t roll on your 2 handed weapons and T2 looks nice. But the raid itself has no benefit from taking a ret.
Back in the day I was seen as healer or tank as a pally, something I didn’t want to do
Unless you enter hardcore guild, Ret dps is fine.
We with this OP 1.12 patch, MC is doable with 25 men. So if you are 40, have fun with what you want I guess. Then some good 2handers will come up.
I hate min-maxing, play what you want.
Which patch? That famous “Zal Pala PVP” features a build from paladin that no modern hard-core build would take.
It’s modern min-maxers that ruin the game.
i dont understand why people want to play a gimped retardin when holy pala is such an absolute beast
Pala or Lock as main every day.
Free mount. After you farmed enough gold, go play whatever alt you want.