Today I will remind you

[Obilot-argent-dawn (Obilot)]

@Zaphius-argent-dawn-370497

As we have already stated, a sign without a justification is just a track or an indication, it has little to no authority, and definitely shouldn’t be considered a huge violation.

Common sense.

Such a difficult to grasp concept for some people.

[Zaphius-argent-dawn-370497]

@Carees-argent-dawn

Expansion launch

Two days out of 365? That’s nitpicking.

@Carees-argent-dawn

An annoyance is an annoyance. It’s not moral indignation

Read the other posts around here, then.

@Rainwatcher-argent-dawn

But doesn’t mean there aren’t social consequences for doing so

I don’t smoke and most of my friends do. When I go to restaurants I’m usually in the smoking area, and no one ever tells me I have to smoke this quota to get there. As is the case with others, people can go to that area as they please, provided the owner is fine with it.

[Zagkush-argent-dawn]

@Rainwatcher-argent-dawn

going in just as nobody is PHYSICALLY stopping OOCers from coming in. But doesn’t mean there are social consequences for doing so. Just because the staff at the restaurant or the Blizzard GMs are sleepy or busy with something else, doesn’t make it ok.

Other exemple, there is a libary and you are trying to study or Just read a book or trying to and the place is filled with people shouting, Just staring like creeps or Just flat out talking space doing nothing at all, should those who want to use the libary for its intend por pouse Just accept it?

[Rainwatcher-argent-dawn]

@Zaphius-argent-dawn-370497

I don’t smoke and most of my friends do. When I go to restaurants I’m usually in the smoking area, and no one ever tells me I have to smoke this quota to get there. As is the case with others, people can go to that area as they please, provided the owner is fine with it.

Unfair. The proportions are not the same. You are 1 non-smoker among many smokers while here we’re talking about a large amount of OOCers among RPers.

Play the same scenario in your head but instead of just you being a non-smoker have the whole restaurant sit in the smoking area without smoking and tell me how your friends feel about it.

[Zaphius-argent-dawn-370497]

But people are using the servers for their intended purpose: they are playing WoW.

Edit.

@Rainwatcher-argent-dawn

The proportions are not the same. You are 1 non-smoker among many smokers while here we’re talking about a large amount of OOCers among RPers.

We were discussing the principle. The numbers count only if they prevent you from playing, and they don’t.

[Karyïn-argent-dawn]

facepalm

[Zagkush-argent-dawn]

@Rainwatcher-argent-dawn

Play the same scenario in your head but instead of just you being a non-smoker have the whole restaurant sit in the smoking area without smoking and tell me how your friends feel about it.

You are asking the impossible, he must oppose the opinion of the community no matter what.

[Zagkush-argent-dawn]

@Zaphius-argent-dawn-370497

But people are using the servers for their intended purpose: they are playing WoW.

Argent Dawn is a rp server, ONE SERVER, NOT THE WHOLE GAME! THERE ARE THOUSHANDS OF PVE SERVERS!

@Zaphius-argent-dawn-370497

The numbers count only if they prevent you from playing, and they don’t.

Griefers do prevent me from doing my thing and enjoy it.

[Rainwatcher-argent-dawn]

@Zaphius-argent-dawn-370497

if they prevent you from playing, and they don’t.

They don’t? My daily experience with griefers paints a totally different picture. Roleplaying is playing the game in this context, please don’t act like it’s not.

[Zaphius-argent-dawn-370497]

@Rainwatcher-argent-dawn

They don’t? My daily experience with griefers paints a totally different picture.

Griefers are just a minority among the OOCers however.

Besides. Griefers aren’t OOCers-only either, so I disagree on this take.

[Gallvin-argent-dawn]

I don’t like to listen to Athramus on this topic because he’s far more interested in having philosophical discussions vaguely tied to the topic so that it doesn’t count as derailing

Anyway, just here to show my !!! UNYIELDING !!! solidarity - people that do not roleplay whatsoever here on Argent Dawn do not belong here. You may roleplay once a day, once a week, once a month - that’s fine by my standards - but if you don’t roleplay whatsoever, you’ve no business here.

There is no discussion to be had. This is a matter of fact, not a debate, as someone who doesn’t roleplay is factually on the incorrect server.

[Zagkush-argent-dawn]

@Zaphius-argent-dawn-370497

Griefers aren’t OOCers-only either, so I disagree on this take.

True, there are also the erpers.

[Rainwatcher-argent-dawn]

Let’s say greifers are a minority and the other OOCers don’t affect the roleplay in any other way (which I think they still do, but I’ll concede this point for now). Getting rid of all OOCers gets rid of them by proxy and since the other OOCers don’t affect roleplay in any other way then their departure will have no impact. No matter how you look at it, it’s a positive gain.

@Zaphius-argent-dawn-370497

Griefers aren’t OOCers-only either

In the context of this thread the OOC ones are what we’re talking about.

[Telaryn-argent-dawn (Telaryn)]

@Zaphius-argent-dawn-370497

I’m not going to linger here much longer anyway (I hope), so don’t worry.

turns out that was a lie

[Zaphius-argent-dawn-370497]

@Rainwatcher-argent-dawn

Getting rid of all OOCers gets rid of them by proxy and since the other OOCers don’t affect roleplay in any other way then their departure will have no impact. No matter how you look at it, it’s a positive gain.

You argue their presence is neutral, but their departure is positive (your implication being: their presence isn’t neutral).

Second, I don’t think their presence here is neutral or negative. I think many OOCers improve certain aspects of the server (economy and so forth) and many non-RPers have been teaching us how to play the game. So I think their presence here is positive.

Third is: how on earth could the RPers remove people from the server? We’re speaking of having a group of players removing another group, and I don’t see through which positive, non-toxic means you could ever achieve that.

[Karyïn-argent-dawn]

@Zaphius-argent-dawn-370497

and many non-RPers have been teaching us how to play the game. So I think their presence here is positive.

Implying roleplayers do not know how to play the game is a very weird flex.
And there are adviced servers for new to WoW players to get on, where they can definitly learn.
But if people dodge the advice by server tags, then that is their loss.

[Zagkush-argent-dawn]

@Zaphius-argent-dawn-370497

Second, I don’t think their presence here is neutral or negative. I think many OOCers improve certain aspects of the server (economy and so forth) and many non-RPers have been teaching us how to play the game. So I think their presence here is positive.

Just because SOME (isolated cases as you cal it) learn from oocers doesn’t mean their presence is positive. It’s neutral at best, negative at worst. You learned from oocers? Great, but your case is na isolated one so it doesn’t count.

@Zaphius-argent-dawn-370497

Third is: how on earth could the RPers remove people from the server? We’re speaking of having a group of players removing another group, and I don’t see through which positive, non-toxic means you could ever achieve that.

Reports and tickets, enough of those and Blizzard will have to hears of and enforce their rules.

[Esarus-argent-dawn]

@Zaphius-argent-dawn-370497

I don’t think

@Zaphius-argent-dawn-370497

I think

OK thanks for letting us know

The thinker of our time + the thinker of these lands

[Zaphius-argent-dawn-370497]

Many RPers have less dedication towards the current content/have less time to dedicate than full-time OOCers. There are many talented role-players I am not denying it, but you’ll find out that those who have more time to get gear will likely have a slight advantage over those who don’t have as much time.

Getting on good terms with these people will help you learn a few more things here and there, or just have the chance to catch up with gear in a faster way.

[Karyïn-argent-dawn]

And so they use cross realm groups to hapilly get their gear, they even join communities for this.
So no, we don’t need OOC raiding guilds coming to AD to play hero for us and use that as a reason for them to get respect for their mount parades and slurrs.