Today I will remind you

I am lowkey hoping I’ll never catch you in a girls/guys bathroom because that comment is worrying.

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Sweet mother of mercy…

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I’m saying there is no real moral authority behind that tag. It’s just a suggestion, much like you can find a “smoking area” in a restaurant- you can go there il even if you aren’t smoking, for whatever reason (as long as you don’t tell others they should stop smoking).

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On the topic of the unhealthy OOC: Remember that you can ticket (instead of right click reporting [but you should also do that]) any griefer you come across, ask everyone who was affected to do the same

A big amount of tickets rly works and people will magically stop griefing you, just team up RP bros

Edit: As far as I know randomly following you OOC and OOCing near you is also ticketable, I have done so in the past with good results – no excuses for the zoo-goers

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Post the results :point_right::spiral_notepad:

Im hoping I never have to actually see him at all, I game or irl.

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I’m sorry, I haven’t even opened the link. I’m not going to linger here much longer anyway (I hope), so don’t worry.

Edit.
Big agree with Morsteth about that bit, however. Tickets are a very good way to denounce harassment and griefing, more than normal reports.

Please post results and hairline

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Wow, I was actually about to use that exact example to argue against your point. Funny how that works.

In this example you have those who try to stop people from smoking (griefers), those who take up seats and seem to try making the smokers uncomfortable and those who, while generally decent are still taking up seats in an area targeted at a specific group making them wait longer for a specialised seat.

Stop it with this devil’s advocate gimmick. There are no excuses for OOC players to be here.

None.

If you come here without ever having the intention to RP then there is nothing here that you can’t get on a PvE server.

So when a non-smoker goes in there I can tell you from experience they won’t feel very good, and shouldn’t feel any good for the obvious reason that they don’t smoke, about it with all that smoke around. Kinda how OOCers don’t feel good when breathing in all this RP smoke. :thinking:

Yea, good analogy.

With this I say, why would ever go to a smokers área if you dont smoke? Either or an idiot or Just want to look cool.

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I was referring to assuming it “not being griefing” in terms of TOS as you brought up earlier if it’s not in there, and did similar with the signs thing- you’re arguing literal definitions.

So my example is even if it’s not literally TOS breaking, it can still be disruptive to the other player, on a server where their hobby has listed status. So I ask why should they be diplomatic in this situation.

And “it doesn’t break TOS” isn’t an answer. That simply tells us why the player can’t be suspended for doing it. It doesn’t give any reason why the RPer should be diplomatic towards someone purposefully being disruptive to them.

You’re literally arguing that people “should” be diplomatic towards people being purposeful disrespectful towards them in an antagonistic fashion, and it seems to me your reasoning is “because the other person won’t get banned for it”. What?

What’s next, should I be okay with people calling my kids racial slurs because they won’t get arrested for it? After all, being diplomatic is super important.

To not even speak about those that are hyperallergic to the components of smoke from a cigarette…
Guess they can just go suffocate because someone is unable to follow basic social rules for the sake of it :thinking:

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Don’t be fooled by this weak example, it’s bad rly

The power structure is obviously different: The RPer is much easier put off / griefed than the OOC zoo-goer / monkey-man, the correct example would be that someone begins smoking in the no-smoking zone and complains that the designated signs are just indications he does not have to follow when he is asked to go away [to the 99 other smoking zones]

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Now imagine if a lot of non-smoker go in the smoking area and fill it up so the restaurant stuff tells a smoker they can’t go in now for their fix because the non-smokers are in there. Kinda like what happened on May Day when Kalimdor went down. :thinking:

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If there is enough seats, I don’t see why non-smokers shouldn’t be allowed in that area.

Surely there’s no moral indignation to be had (especially when it comes from the same people who denounce how they don’t care about bullying others).

I’ve got 11/11

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I find it quite good when it comes to showing the source of authority behind it. I agree the relationship is slightly different- but your examples compares damaging health to interrupting RP, so I wouldn’t say that’s a solid take either.

Expansion launch queues indicate that there are not enough seats. That is the reason I specifically referred to them ‘taking up seats’.

An annoyance is an annoyance. It’s not moral indignation so much as a nuisance that’s been going on for what, 10 years at least getting to people.

Nobody is PHYSICALLY stopping them for going in just as nobody is PHYSICALLY stopping OOCers from coming in. But doesn’t mean there aren’t social consequences for doing so. Just because the staff at the restaurant or the Blizzard GMs are sleepy or busy with something else, doesn’t make it ok.

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Leta move from that analogy.

Buses.

Priority seating for the elderly/infirm.

You are telling me that if there are seats at the back of the bus free, it is perfectly fine for some rando to refuse to give up their spot in the priority seating to a new elderly passenger because there is no enforceable command to unseat them. And additionally it is unreasonable for the other passengers to give this person evils and make them feel uncomfortable, because they want to stare at the old people sat near the front, which is more important than the elderly person having a seat suited to their preferences.

So as we’ve been saying: exercising the right to be a tosser just because you can. And still oblivious to why people get annoyed. Must be their limited perspective right?

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