Too many Void elf rpers

I made a post on the old forums addressing the night elves and their misfortune over the years and how to spin it in your RP without making it feel meaningless.

EDIT: the links to old forums are dead. I’ll quote it.

I’ll preface this by admitting that this all started as a crackpot theory on the fly for the sake of being contrarian during an argument, but hear me out none the less. I promise I’m probably onto something.

So ever since Cataclysm, vocal members of the racial community have gotten increasingly agitated over the state of night elves. That for such a great and savage warrior race from Warcraft 3, they’re always getting shafted over by Blizzard’s story writing. But what if there’s actually an overarching point to the setbacks and calamities they suffer seemingly (at first) random? What if the “human potential” comment by Shandris is actually a self reflection on what the night elves have become?

To elaborate on what I mean, let’s look at the history of the night elves first. They were the pinnacle of civilization on the planet. By all intents and purposes, they basically conquered it. They mastered the arcane arts and if Aluneth is to be believed, at the height of their power had the potential to rival the Titans.

Then it all changed. They got too arrogant and reached too far. The Sundering came, splitting the world and the Highborne got banished. The night elves traded that arcane and royal aesthetic for a humble woodland theme, but the overarching theme of arrogance and pride continued, as events of Warcraft 3 showed us.

Losing their immortality should have been the turning point for them as a race, but instead of embracing destiny and adapting to the new world they find themselves inhabiting, Fandral planted Teldrassil and sought to reclaim their immortality – effectively stagnating the progress that the end of Warcraft 3 heralded and regress back to their old ideology. With Malfurion out of the picture, Fandral grew to be a very influential figure head of their society and even other key figures like Maiev (as per Wolfheart) bought Fandral’s message of immortality being their birth right. The arrogance and pride continued to fester, giving the night elves no reason to change. They clung to an idea of a world that no longer existed.

So along comes these younger races, orcs and humans who quickly rise to become the new power houses of the world’s shifting political landscape. The humans are malleable and quick to adapt to the harshest of atrocities and still thrive.
The orcs brought a lot of destruction to the night elven ancestral lands, but instead of adapting to the new threat and their technology, they remained adamant about their old ways. This cost them at first the life of Cenarius, then later a lot of innocent lives as the Horde began deforesting Ashenvale under Garrosh’s rule, and now the race hangs on the brink of extinction due to the burning of Teldrassil.

The one constant in all these losses is the night elves holding on to old tactics and never adapting.

With Teldrassil, the symbol of the regressive progress Fandral represented gone, the night elves must come to terms with their fall from grace and their own mortality. They’re greeted with the harsh truth that there is no going back to the world they once knew and in order to survive as a race, they must adapt and accept some ugly, but necessary truths - a story mirroring TBC blood elves, which some argue was some particularly good story writing for its time.

Along comes 8.1 and its story developments. Many are up in arms over how Tyrande doesn’t oneshot Nathanos and that’s a can of worms for another time, but the important story element many gloss over is the approach the night elves and their Army of the Black Moon takes. Instead of revering Elune out of love, they demand retribution from her or else. The first signs of a cultural shift are already there as they remove the silk glove and equip the metaphorical steel gauntlet. As Tyrande states, she doesn’t come as a priestess and will only serve Elune if she grants her power.

Though Fandral’s actions delayed it by years, the night elves are finally embracing the change that Warcraft 3’s ending and their loss of immortality should have brought. They’re adapting for the sake of their survival, and in light of that Shandris’s comments about human potential - to me - tell of a shift in attitude from their old conservatism towards accepting progression. Because the humans have in every sense of the word the greatest potential due to their malleable nature.

Personally I’ve never liked the night elves very much but the BFA story hooks they’re going through makes me for the first time really interested in them and I might actually consider devoting time to playing one to explore these themes of survival and change, as I never got the chance in TBC with blood elves.

or you can just hate 8.1 as the worst pile of !@#$ blizzard ever wrote because the intro to the warfront didn’t match your expectations. whatever you think is healthy for you.

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I probably have it lying around somewhere in the Family library.

Yea. I quickly go gossip to 900+ people about this. I’m pretty sure only cool kids hear about it.

And again, you just go what hear really. You don’t bother invest your time on searching or getting more information or having deep tought about it. You just slam on the ground and say “This is s***t” and go fish for some atettion for your non-existant reasons.

Squire is making a good point. Should I start to get worried?

Times change…

I think Squire and Syanidi are different people.

Edit: Nevermind, looks like i’m wrong

Threads like these make me miss being able to ignore people on the forums.

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You know you love me really.

I was hoping it was just a feature I hadn’t figured out how to do yet.

Me and Squire are best mates

Just me and myself

@telaryn i hope the story does happen the way you described it. But… ehhhhhhhhh, Its not something I’d trust modern blizzard to carry out.

I made a post on the old forums addressing the night elves and their misfortune over the years and how to spin it in your RP without making it feel meaningless.

I don’t find it… particularly convincing, which for me makes it all but impossible to RP out without feeling forced and awkward. If other people spin it like that, cool, but I personally just don’t see it that way. The Darkshore warfront probably won’t end, but if it does get a resolution, the thought that it’ll just shaft nelves again one way or another makes me constantly apprehensive, which just poisons any enjoyment I get out of RPing them. I’ve actually just abandoned the last decade of effort I’ve put into my nelf chars and just switched wholly over to another character at this point.

Warlocks, at least, are a bit more fun to play, when the Dalaran police guilds aren’t shoving headcanon laws and sanctions down people’s throats.

As embarrassing as some of their posts are, your attempt to bash certain guilds is in my opinion even worse.

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They’re winning the Warfront canonically. After the raid this patch, it’s confirmed that Horde is losing at every front across the globe and weeks away from total defeat.

As embarrassing as some of their posts are, your attempt to bash certain guilds is in my opinion even worse.

Maybe if people were more vocal about certain guilds, their spam of toxicity wouldn’t be as much of a problem here or elsewhere.

They’re winning the Warfront canonically. After the raid this patch, it’s confirmed that Horde is losing at every front across the globe and weeks away from total defeat.

Unexpected, to be sure. We’ll see how the BFA story plays out. I hope they add some sort of explanation for nelves who aren’t Tyrande having black eyes. Did you know DKs can also use it, but DHs can’t? A strange decision on Blizzard’s part, but without any lore about it, it’s hard to tell if it’s on purpose. I wonder if Elune’s vengeance… thingy, overrides the DK blues, in lore? I haven’t seen any DK NPCs on the warfront… Or have I?

Maybe, but I doubt your criticism is purely based off being the good anti-toxicity guy as I haven’t seen you call out many other groups/guilds that are as toxic/annoying in their posts. Maybe you just have a really weird issue with the certain group you called out aka RG HoC Grim Gest.

Along with a whole bunch of rapidly alternating alts.

Is three guilds not enough for one post? I don’t want to derail the thread… Not that we’re talking about Velves anymore, anyway, mind. But yes, there are more. Personally I find those three to be the main ones, at least on these forums, however.

Maybe you just have a really weird issue with the certain group you called out aka RG HoC Grim Gest.

That’s a very fantastical leap you’ve made.

I’ll refrain from posting further about this particular topic.

I’ll also go to sleep. 2am is too late to be salty about BFA story writing.

What I’m saying is that you’ve not really called out anyone, you seem to target those three guilds and call out the “Meme gang” of AD/D. I’m not saying you need to call out everyone in one post, but I’d expect of you to be on anyone’s case if they post in a toxic manner if you express the desire to shut toxicity down but calling it out.

You can also go on about alts, but I doubt a level 116 is your main, and as far as I’m aware much of those communities are against alt-posting, and bash one another in the rare scenarios they do so.

As expected lol.

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Greetings my fellow Argent Dawners.
It is once again I, Floor, the Speaker of Wooden Floors, speaking on behalf of my good friend Facts, who’s head is looking worse than yesterday. Sadly.
I do enjoy me a good talk with the local innkeeper about the furniture in their establishment.
Long ago, my grand papi, Oakwood Floor, told me something incredibly useful and near to my heart, “Child RP is legit a sin lamo” and “Don’t RP on Defias lol”, but the ancient floor also told me this, “Void elves were only created because Alliance wanted Blood elves lmao”. I think on this everyday.

Thys truly,
Floor the Speaker of Wooden Floors.

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I find it funny how Alliance have been asking for Quel’dorei for AGES but Blizzard didn’t want to give it to them since ‘‘Quel’dorei are few in numbers.’’
Yet their solution ‘void elves’ are EVEN FEWER in numbers xD
It’s like giving them what they want… but not really… Just so no one gets what they want :stuck_out_tongue:

I find it slightly sad when I see Ren’dorei RP’ers who claim to ICly be Quel’dorei… It’s just like… accept it bro… It’s not happening… They don’t wanna give it to ya…