Certainly in RP-PvP due to the nature of it. One has to disregard many factors in that specific scenario. Emotes allow more nuances eg scent to be used and acknowledged. Classic RP-PvP as we see in campaigns etc. have to cut some corners due to the fastpaced environment, but it is also the reason not everyone likes RP-PvP via OOC mechanics (unrestricted, restricted). It‘s a whole another topic.
ehm as i have been told before. emotes don’t seem to work when your stealthed. they may have fixed it. But i use to mess with my friends with emotes and get a little annoyed when they where ignored only to discover they had never seen them.
I know, but you can just whisper it instead
tee bee entirely H that’s just how you get megagamed.
If people want potential stealthers to give hints, it should come from their own initiave.
/e looks around suspiciously
/e smells the air, trying to see if there’s any nonstandard scents
First Glance: bla bla stealth-alerting wards
yeah and get metagame’d straight away with the person instantly knowing i’m there no matter what. No thanks. You wanna catch me, you gotta be emoting about being cautious, about sniffing the air, about using DH sight, etc.
Looks like you really want to win. I wouldn’t personally do any RP with people I don’t trust to even send an emote to. But hey, whatever floats your boat.
Think I already elaborated on things that can be exposing to the person spying but they don’t consider (intentionally or unintentionally).
I don’t see how I should trust you to not mess up your OOC stealth RP (there’s a lot to mess up), if you don’t trust me by sending me emotes.
about sniffing the air
I don’t know about you but when I breathe, I automatically also sniff the air. If your char is bloody or reeks, or the other person’s race means a sharp sense of smell, then you should be the one emoting. It’s not a one-way street, but then, I doubt your motivations after the last post anyway.
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Well, maybe Tehya dont have a nose and only breathes through her mouth, ever thought of that?!
RPers (and ERPers I imagine) who say that text RP on a platform like discord is inferior because it’s not immersive enough. Who stand for hours at a time waiting for RP to come to them, and then just looking at their chatbox.
It’s odd that you have not managed to write a single paragraph in this post without implying how very horrible and untrustworthy I am. Truly jarring, honestly. Strikes me as if you’re not arguing in good faith.
The only argument of any worth you bring is that of breathing through one’s nose, but passive breathing and actively focusing on scents are two separate things, so there goes that.
My first paragraph was directed at Gibletts, as I also quoted a small bit of his post.
In the rest of it I simply used me = the hypothetical person being spied on, and you = the hypothetical person spying.
So the only thing I really wrote to both of you that suggests any of how “horrible and untrustworthy” you are is:
You can choose to bring it there, but eh.
you forgot this part
As I said, every paragraph was a dig at the person you were talking to.
To be fair, that did seem to be a dig at Tehya, When breathing, you are taking in ambient smells, you are not specifically trying to smell a particular odour. As I say, if someone is foolish enough to be reeking of something as they stealth, whether blood, garlic, or having let loose a particularly ripe one (Which is a thing they should really be putting in their add-on, alright, not the latter, unless they have chronic flatulence), then fair enough, but if they are not, then it -would- take an effort to especially sniff out. I mean even animals -track- prey by specifically making an effort, it isn’t a matter of passive breathing. This is starting to sound like wanting an ‘I Win’ button against Stealth, and perhaps a result of a bad experience with someone who perhaps did abuse Stealth as an ability, but your points are not really valid. They’re using a valid ability in game, as is intended. The onus is not on them to make their valid ability invalid, it is on you to try and justify why your character is special in the sense that they can passively detect Stealth.
Which almost all people cannot.
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There’d be a lot more dead “scouts” at RP-PvP campaigns if they had to type out elaborate sneaking-through-a-bush emotes for sure. Flavour emotes and stuff like you’ve suggested would work better for me (put up in a discord or w/e) to stop the entrepreneurial stealther from potentially mucking up a narrative.
I.E “The Horde camp is surrounded by a relay of stealth wards and sentries, making intrusion and subterfuge difficult for enemy combatants.”
That and emotes don’t work from stealth and if I drop outta stealth I’m just gunna get yeeted anyway because it’s RP-PvP and I’m in the enemy camp.
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No /say either. Unless you’ve been detected IIRC. That’s why a rogue sending you an emote in whisper isn’t always intentionally creepy. Hopefully. Maybe. Fifty percent of the time.
In the recent Storm Peaks campaign there was some human rogue stealthing around our camp and writing in the campaign discord about what an epic spy his character was.
He was blue shielding. In stealth. Without any attempt to RP with us.
Big props to the guy who was wearing an orc disguise and tried to act non-chalant. It didn’t work when we asked him questions in orcish and he nodded along, because he didn’t understand the language. Very implicating questions.
He got thrown off the cliff and the dude took the consequences like an absolute champ for being discovered. We gave him a funeral pyre.
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How many gadgets did he have on his toolbelt? Did he collect stool samples? How can you possibly know what he now knows?
It definitely isn’t perfect, no. Which is why I’d never make a massive habit of sneaking around (I do do it OOC because I’m a sick voyeur with compulsions). That and I’d wanna avoid putting my character in the situation where the latter can happen too.
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anyone that blue shields outside of their team’s main base in RP-PvP campaigns is a lame sinner.
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Laddie be that Beyblade, leader of the Uncrowned…?
That’s the biggest takeaway. If you don’t want bad things to happen to your character, don’t put them into situations where very bad things will be bound to happen to them.
I forgot to flag for pvp one night when I had just flown to base after doing some content, and then I headed on a hunt to get some food for us. The moment I was told “Hey flag for pvp” I instantly flagged it.
Just in time for my character to realize what’s happening (orc sense of smell strong and I saw one of them rise from their hiding place) and right as I yelled “AMBUSH!” a bunch of Alliance converged on my spot.
It lead to an epic night of smaller scale skirmishes and it was dope.
Stealth and scouting is a weird song and dance. It requires both people, the stealther and… stealthee? To be avoid metagaming and play fair.
The stealther should give hints to their presence, the stealthee shouldn’t just spin 180 degrees and ask what the f*** they’re doing without so much as a line suggesting they know the person is there beforehand. Generally I see far more of the latter tbh than the former. Apparently everyone and their mother has Demon Hunter eyes or something and act like stealthing simply is not a thing (The recent cinematic set in Nagrand begs to differ), ignoring the fact that rogues in a raid will be detected from much further away than those not, making detection range completely based on game mechanics and not RP.
But, truthfully, I’m certain too many rogues insist they are undetectable no matter what and make no effort to actually RP it out and just want to metagame.
I normally don’t see blue shielding as an issue, however that’s incredibly lame. At the very least he should have actually attempted to RP with the enemy, not just sneak around taking screen shots and writing fan fiction about himself. RPing it out at least opens up the possibility of consequences, just hiding behind game mechanics is poor play.
I normally don’t care about blue shielding one way or another, but I do agree that you probably should flag when outside your base. It was one of the touted reasons for using War Mode over /pvp in a handful of campaigns, except that came with a colossal pile of issues by itself.
Like 24/7 off-realmer WPvP raids forming to corpse camp entire team bases, people forgetting to turn it on so when getting to the location so they couldn’t RP because lol WM phasing, constant revenge gankings, etc. It was a mess and wasn’t worth it just to stop blue shielding, which is a pretty uncommon occurrence and, in my experience, people abusing it quickly get ousted even by their own side.
To be more on topic…
I just remembered one: People RPing an exceedingly outlandish or near impossible race.
I’ve seen ogres and high elves or whatever. Fine. Not playable and a hassle to maintain your precious illusion buffs, but at least it’s plausible.
One time I saw someone using such a buff to RP a Spider-Elf thing from Suramar… in Stormwind. They were crying because people were being mean to them, GEE I WONDER WHY? WERE YOU EXPECTING HUGS AND KISSES?