Evidently, some players will be affected more than others.
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Jesus christ give it a rest please.
Im just helping you understand what he meant. I don’t want to get dragged into 50 questions.
I am against the removal of addons that allow customization of the interface.
I am against the removal of addons that do not provide a tangible combat benefit (for example collection addons or Details)
I am against the removal of non-combat informative addons (like Altoholic, that Dragonriding timer addon etc.)
I support the removal of addons that help in combat, for example that addon that people use instead of SBA or addons that automatically place markers on people or make them automatically say something (DBM, most WAs, etc)
I support the removal of addons that think for the player (even if it just tells you what ability to pick next in your pet battle)
Of course I knew what he was talking about. And it was pure BS and you know it.
Be honest. Delvers giving their opinion about high end M+ and Raids dosent strike you as odd? Do you really think this conversation would end the same if I went ahead and said that Delves should be deleted?
Who’s side are you on? You are a healer yourself. Try to play Disc Priest with out Cell that marks who has atonement and who dosent.
A recent forum trend bingo:
- Present yourself as a veteran player
- Have less than 5 posts on the forum
- Make a topic where you praise the addon purge
- Show that you have no idea what addons actually do
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This.
This was the “skill” of MANY PLAYERS! This was their ability to make high progress, mythic raids, 4k rio in M+. Always first in the rankings. Now, with the removal of all these addons, I want to see WHAT will happen. Will they really be so good as to achieve the same results they’ve achieved so far?
By good players, I don’t mean Echo, Liquid, and company. By good players, I mean all those who call themselves Gods who came down to Earth thanks to these addons.
Now you might ask me:
“And you, if you don’t use these addons, how come you haven’t made all this high progress?”
I was determined to do so, I applied to join all those guilds that entered mythic raids. You filled out a form and at the end it said “Attach a screenshot of your UI in combat. We want to see the weakauras you use.” I’ve never used that stuff, so I took the screenshot without WA and completed the application.
A few days later, they contacted me in-game and asked for a screenshot again. I immediately said, “I don’t use WA.” They laughed in my face and rejected my application.
That’s why now I want to see WHAT will happen to all these fake, good players.
Instead of looking at players’ results, their progress, their skills, and having them try it out for a few days to see if they match your playstyle, no… None of that! The most important thing is to see the WAs!!
Good boys, welcome to Hell! 
I won’t miss them, because I’ve never used them.
YOU will miss them!
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No guild has progressed mythic ovinax for example without boss specific weakauras. A 5 man group can dynamically sort out who goes where, who uses what but if you scale it to 20 man you can’t do the coordination on the fly with the consistency needed for progression raiding.
Dungeon mechanics and affixes don’t require mandatory weakauras, which is why it sucks that M+ players get punished by having quality of life WAs removed. But this is a real issue in raiding that has to be addressed. (not the way blizzard is doing it now, but it’s been ignored for too long).
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Cool story bro. But DID you raid mythic or not? 
Cause it seems that all you accomplished was to fail guild applications.
You dont need to do that though. Show me your RIO score. You can pug all the way to 3500. No need to reach 4000 rio.
It seems to me that YOU are the one doing this:
If you can do a +17 with ZERO addons and the base UI. PROVE IT. Show me a screen shot.
Otherwise, shut up and dont pretend like you know what you are talking about.
I find nothing more embarrassing than listening to Delvers pretend like they are “big shots” while they post on a level 39 alt.
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My dude. Please… Stop with this nonsense. Please.
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They do. In high enough keys. To (among other things) prevent THIS stuff:
https://ibb.co/nsrtYxhS
https://ibb.co/zVCpK7Lq
Those are deaths on a Priory +15.
Then there is DBM. DBM for raid bosses is acceptable. Not only that, blizzard made it’s own default version of DBM. So we are all on the same page.
HOWEVER. It dosent work (either of them) with Suleyman mini-boss AoE or the Knights AoE in Priory. So you need a WA to track that. For the SAME reasons you track boss mechanics.
NOT for Heroic Raids and bellow. That only applies for Mythic raids.
But again. If they want to solve Mythic Raids… I REFUSE that they dont touch M+ either and leave us to rot. ONCE AGAIN.
You have weakauras that warn you when two mobs with random target abilities are targeting one person and their cast will finish within 1 second of each other?
This is like playing a different game compared to keys 12 and below.
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Is it nonsense or not?
https://www.wowhead.com/news/encounter-design-aims-for-more-clarity-with-midnight-pika-and-kesslive-interview-378784?page=2
And I quote:
“Eco Dome had a good reception as a “beta” dungeon using the concepts Blizzard is intending to use in a world without addons. More straightforward mechanics and better indicators of what will kill you and how to overcome them.”
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9B4I8CZPIug
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fio-thjEYc
Hillarious. Because the Inky Black Potion is a MUST to see things in M+. Look at those videos. PLEASE tell me they are joking.
THIS is supposed to give me “hope” for Midnight somehow? Because it’s Week 10 of the season. And people STILL die to “warp” because its literally invisible. Pink swirly in a bright pink area surrounded by pink mobs putting pink garbage on the floor. Where is the hotfix to make that some red line or something? What is taking so long?
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You dont know Targeted Spells WA exists? That strikes me as odd.
No. It dosent warn anything. No sounds. No “beeps”.
ALL it does is put a little “smite” icon (or whatever the ability in is) in the party frames. That’s all. But the WA needs access to the API to do that.
From a healer PoV. All you see is this: A player (who might be 20% or 100%) and a little icon in his box. This icon tells you information, so you can take a decision. Do nothing. Heal the person. Or kick the mob.
No warnings. No nothing. Just information.
What it also does (in this case) is put TWO icons if he is targeted by 2 mobs at once. So you know he will be 1-shot unless you pop an external or kick 1 mob.
But it dosent tell you what to do. YOU have to know what to do. Among other things, you need to find the mob targeting him (because that mob is not highlighted in any way) to kick him.
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No I’ve never heard of this. I just rely on the red border aggro indicator on the party frame when a miniboss/trash is casting something dangerous so I can tell who’s going to get a heavy dot or something and pre-heal them.
Aside from that I just use my interrupt on CD, or save it for critical abilities that must be interrupted.
I think blizzard tunes M+ so this level of play isn’t needed up to the “intended” cap, which is where it stops giving better rewards or achievements.
But since M+ is an open end difficulty you’re bound to hit some sort of a wall eventually. But so will others, since you’re not playing against the game, but against other people. If everyone loses the advantage then technically it’s still balanced.
I guess what you’re feeling is that without tools everyone will be playing blind, which is technically fair but not exactly fun since pushing will depend on luck rather than skill?
Yes yes .all of you have been playing wow since 16th century .nobody cares .
No idea why people using ai think this is such an important detail and somehow people will be convinced of their argument with no legs
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I’m happy, but I’m also a very worried. I don’t think they will ever reach the point of custiomization that addons had, but blocking them (combat addons) overall is good for the game and healthy.
In perfect world the game would have implemented everything that I love from addons like Altoholic, ATT, Auctionator, Can I Mog It?, Prat to copy links, SilverDragon, HandyNotes, Mount Journal Enchanced etc.etc.
I will very miss setting up bars, icons, audio effects in WeakAura tho.
For the 10s you are doing, its more than enough.
12+ and above? Not anymore. EVERY “smite” and “shoot” becomes a critical cast. But you cant kick them all. You you need CLEAR information when its critical to kick it, and when it’s not.
You have seen the pictures I uploaded. You have seen the damage they do. 7M/8M damage. DDs have 12M HP (for comparison). And THAT will remain the same in Midnight. Unless they remove all casters from dungeons. Because M+ is infinitely scalable.
As a healer, you spend half your time looking at the Party Frames. THAT is where the information about all these “critical casts” has to be. But to put that information on the Party Frames, you need access to the API and perform “logic” on it. And that will be gone in Midnight, with OUT a presentable alternative. Because a “red glow” is not a presentable way to display that information.
Now maybe you understand why I am so pissed about this. Because I am not talking about a +22 MDI key. I am talking a +13 that a lot of “normal” people are doing. And I am not talking about addons “playing the game for me”. I am talking about displaying the information in a CLEAR way. From the healer’s PoV. Not the DDs PoV.
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The removal of combat addon and simplification of spells and rotation is great, but it is not enough.
Current talent trees are still too bloated, complicated, meaningless and unsustainable. They needs to go back to MOP talents.
They will still be the best. Come on, give them a little credit. Most r1 players are playing WoW for a living. They have such a deep understanding of WoW.
I don’t need WAs for +17s and every single mythic boss that does not require a WA (in this case Fractillus is literally impossible without the WA.)
The rankings won’t change.
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And thats exactly the problem for me. The UI wont be clean anymore for me, since for some reason personal combat data also got caught in the crossfire, meaning no custom UI addons/auras neither.