As it stands, the ToS does not apply to everyone, at the very least not evenly.
Just got kicked from Scholomance for going back to get the 2 books for the quest (as I was thrown into a dungeon halfway through) and that was apparently unaccetaple so I get dungeon deserter due to these people being redacted
That is literally by Blizzards own definition harassment, and yet, these redacted do not get a perma ban… somehow. Meanwhile on the other hand, say a bad word, even a barely insulting one, you are outta there.
Why even have a ToS when they can’t even follow it up to the letter? It serves no purpose when people can do stuff like this.
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so you entered a group that did half of the dungeon and you went back to collect stuff for the quest?
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Yes.
And while each group has its own set of rules of what is okay and what isnt (lets say he could have backtracked after the dungeon is done I suppose) he does have a point in regards of the ToS especially in combination with Blizzards automated system on live servers.
I have said like repeat, Blizzard still dont understand difference leave and kick. You are not supposed to get deserter if you got kicked. Only if you left and I am tired of Blizzard still ignoring. If they think it is fine, they are wrong! I support you, not Blizzard!
Happy summer!
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Of course I did. I didn’t ask to be put in a dungeon that was half-way done, least of all one I hadn’t yet done the quests in, so of course I’m gonna go back to get the quest items which really only takes a few seconds.
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I think it´s safe to say I understand why the group kicked you, but I don´t agree with you getting a debuff for the boot.
players are like racing cars, you gotta jump in and not miss out.
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Race for what? To do endless chores on multiple characters and nothing else until the next set of endless chores?
That is a really flimsy excuse to kick someone. For one, you are already playing WoW, so your time is in no way valuable at all to begin with. If it was, you wouldn’t be playing WoW in the first place, so a few seconds for someone dropped into a random dungeon and wanting to complete the quests, is literally not going to make a difference.
Regardless, the ToS and CoC under harassment are quite clear on the matter, and this is exactly that. There is no valid excuse for their actions.
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I do not kick you for this, in fact you are a gnome. So if they try to do a kick, I will ask in the chat WHO invited this movement, how dare they try to kick a gnome, they do not understand they are ally of us, unless they are a FilthHorde in disguise. The gnome is my friend, I do not accept their kick. Period explanation point .
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Did you tell your group you wanna do a quest, or just silently did it in the back? They really might just have thought you are afk. Also, don’t insult random strangers on the internet over a low level quest…
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Or you could have contributed and then gone back.
But naw, its only your pov that matters isn’t it?
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You should first complete the dungeon then go and collect quest items they were right to kick you. As soon as you kill the last boss, teleport out and then back into dungeon then do whatever you need to.
From their point of view you are a random player wasting time of others by not participating.
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You could have waited till the dungeon was finished to go back for the quest items.
Everybody wins.
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what you did is pretty much universally despised. you’re supposed to wait till the end of the dungeon to go back. When you go back half way you’re not only wasting your time but everyone else since they cant continue without you. the kick was warranted IMO.
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To be fair to the OP going back for quest items isn’t really an option in Scholomance especially for the two books in the blood room and the room filled with the bored students.
If you’re VERY lucky the game has spawned the blood book at the back which gets pulled soon as you enter the room anyway and if your luck is akin to winning the lottery twice in the same month your book in the bored students’ room is near the front. otherwise, they are going to be very difficult to get on your own if not impossible.
But I find the best thing to do when entering a half-completed dungeon is to ignore any quests until you get a fresh run, which saves a lot of grief.
You shouldn’t get permabanned for kicking somebody who’s hanging out far away from the group doing the dungeon, you joking?!
There are so many people who deserve the banhammer and this is what you come up with?
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And why is that? So you can act like a clown like the OP without consequences or to get kicked if you dont like the dung and join another?
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Dungeons are a group effort. You have to get on with your fellow dungeoneers and they won’t always want to do what you want to do. Even when I’ve joined at the start of a dungeon they don’t always want to do the extras for a quest. I just have to accept that and go with the majority.
It is not against the rules, nor is it harassment to be removed from a group where you weren’t. It’s a simple vote system. One person proposes a vote kick and the other three get to decide if they agree. From what you’ve described it sounds like they were left to clear the rest of the dungeon while you went off on your own and they didn’t want that.
It’s not worth getting upset over, I understand you are feeling frustrated right now. The timeout is there for people who leave or who get voted out. This prevents them being regrouped with the party they’ve just been removed from or left and serves as a time out to cool off.
If I can’t do a dungeon quest that time I either go back at the end to do what I can when everyone is done, or I wait for another opportunity the next time I go there. Most groups are quite open to doing quests if you ask nicely and you all join together at the start.
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Okay, and if the kicked person was being a major douchenozzle, he shouldn’t be punished and can re-queue and continue to harass other groups?
Have to agree with those saying OP was in the wrong. There is zero reason not to help the group finish the dungeon and then go back for quest items.
We’ve had issues with Quest objectives in dungeons for a long time. Order Hall and Profession quests in Legion had these issues, there was a Profession quest on the optional boss in Vault of the Wardens which must have caused thousands of arguments.
There should be a solo version scenario type feature for doing quests. You could go in and explore the dungeon in your own time and get your quest done. Then the regular dungeon version can be for regular grouped content.
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