Toxicity returns to wow - guilds will once again rob you of your gear :(

I don’t have CE however I have raided mythic in the past (this character is new, my paladin isn’t), and I’ve found guilds willing to try mythic without ML.

Of course you did, pumpkin… It was just in another account, right?

Everyone can buy a heroic CE for 10 euro :rofl:

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That’s AOTC not CE. And no, I have raided mythic with this account. This is just not my main character Mr. Cpt Obvious.
And also I don’t know what are you trying to say?

No because things are not set in stone and if things don’t work and we have the chance to make a better system for everybody I’d rather do that. Also what would be my bad decision? wanting to play the game?
I don’t get how you attacking me is contributing to this conversation and why are you not willing to listen to other viewpoints.

Maybe because some guild wants to clear the content at a resonable human speed and not spending 6 month to progress.

M8, I don’t wanna be rude to you, but almost nobody is raiding right now. If raiding was fine, and the game was fun, I’d be playing it, and not write in forums, because I’m bored during my breaks. Maybe it has something to do with the loot systems feeling soulless aswell, that raiding isn’t fun. I hope though, that it’s not full Masterloot like in classic. Hope it’s some sort of in-game dkp system, or some sort of group loot system

Yes and I do understand guilds. But I don’t want to get punished for wanting to do other content besides raiding. This is the issue.

More options is never a bad thing, if people don’t like the options they won’t be used much, but it doesn’t hurt to have them. Loot options were best when you could choose the loot system.

Tbh, if they do Masterloot, they should make sure, that the raid doesn’t take 10 hours like sepulcher, because I don’t wanna sit 10hours in a raid per week to get gear prio’ed eventually

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then dont play in a guild if you cant accept the benefist of the whole raid team are more important that the singular individual.

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But unfortunately I am forced to, cause raids always drop the best loot. If that wasn’t the case. Then yes you all virtue signaling people will be right and I would effectively have the choice. But if I want to push high keys and that is purely my interest, I have to raid and play with ML, even if I don’t want to.

then dont be surprised if your raid team wants to invest more in people more dedicated than you.

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You will always have a choice, even in the height of ML there were raiding guilds that didn’t use it.

It might limit where you can choose to apply to raid. However the same is true with any decision you make in life. If I choose that I only want cars with 4 doors, that stops me from buying a car with 2 doors.

What kind of answer is that? How are you contributing to the discussion, besides attacking and giving meaningless answers?

Well how many 10/10 M guilds are you aware of right now that don’t use RC Loot council for example? In my server I know 0. SO the choice is non-existent. If you can bring me 5 english speaking guilds that don’t do that, then you’re right.

what you expected a pat on the shoulder?

Your complaining that a guild that wants to progress and wants to clear the raid will give the loot to the players that will perform better.

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You joining raid/guild. If you dont like GL do not participate in those guilds or raids. Problem solved.

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I am quite happy with ML existing, I’ve been in ML guilds before and I was treated fairly, and I expect that in most cases, I’d be treated fairly again, since most of us want to have fun and get along (I’m sure you do too!).

As such it’s not my job to find a guild for you that doesn’t use ML. I’m happy to join a guild with ML, provided the loot rules are clearly posted, and adhered to.

You both did not understand my argument. Progressing raids is not the same thing as other PVE content.
My problem with masterloot is not the GUILD, but rather the fact that it affects other areas of the game.
I.e. If raid gear is only good for raids, then the progression mentality for the sake of the guild is ok.
If i need the SAME gear for everything else, than it’s hindering my possibility to play other parts of the game.
Do you understand what I mean?

considering how i was 100 % correct about anything that happened to SL post launch ? ofc i will - just so in 2 years i could say - “i told you so”

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I played in top 100 world guilds so i know “something” about progress.

Plus wanting separate gear tipes is horrible.