Trading in HC, why is it not blocked?

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I’m a very casual HC player, but I enjoy slowly leveling a char in that mode. But on the official servers trading seems to be running rampant and I don’t understand why that was not blocked by Blizzard. I know that I can just “not do it”, and that is what I intend to do, so as such it doesn’t affect me. But from what I have heard in chat it seems that tons of people a trading and selling stuff already, and it will eventually end up in people twinking alts and such. It just feels wrong to me so I had to come here and ask why it wasn’t blocked by Blizzard.

In my mind the spirit of HC it “doing it the hard way, and if you mess up you die”, but if everybody is trading to get better gear, or more gold to get mount and such, then it is not “the hard way” anymore, and then half the point is gone (at least to me). I feel like Blizzard could have easily blocked the use of AH, trading, mails and such for all characteres that are below level 60, and then kept that part of the HC experience alive, but they chose not to.

What do you think? Am I in the wrong for thinking like this, and it is a good idea that it was done like this, or do you agree that it feels wrong that they made trading/AH/mail available to all in HC?

Ps. Anyone know why Blizzard decided to keep it in? (Other than maybe they were too lazy to do something about it)

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This is a problem because…?

By that logic, rolling a hunter should automatically disqualify you too.

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In the sense of “You only live once” you should be able to engage in trading in whatever form possible.

So no, I disagree.

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Blizzard’s definition of hardcore is “you only get one life”. As for why, I don’t know. I do know that just blocking mail, trade and the auction house would make dome proffessions unplayable, several quests undoable and a lot of recipes uncraftable.

Not to mention that classic, with it’s random loot drops and open world elites seems to be designed arround trading and socializing/grouping.

Personally I like being able to trade and group. I’ve been looking to try hc for some time now, but the strickt addon rules put me off it.

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They probably wanted a more casual “hardcore” then what the hardcore community did before.
Besides, there is nothing that would prevent anyone from following the former hardcore rule set.

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HC =/= SSF. You can play SSF as a self imposed challenge mode.
Hardcore as it’s commonly used just means you don’t get to resurrect if you die.

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The reason the unofficial HC addon had trading restricted is because of players not playing HC could trade it to those who did HC.

On the Official HC realm, all players are HC from the start and so are all obtained resources. There is then no problem with having trade enabled, if you want to impose additional restrictions upon yourself you can but they won’t.

We’ve already seen twitch streamers who got funneled gear die so twinking is no guarantee of safety and neither are their 4 bodyguards including healers.

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Ok, I thought it was to make sure that each inividual charater was leveled on equal terms, and that is my main issue with the change. But as I also said it will not really affect me as I will just do my leveling without the trading.

I am not a fan of it and didn’t understand for need for this change to the rules made be the hardcore community, but if that rule was made for the reason you stated then it makes sense I guess. And yes I know twinking and trading all that doesn’t assure you a win, but it does make it easier, and I feel like it removes a part of the HC experience (but only for the ones using it, so again it doesn’t affect me).

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I like being able to group and trade after having played the Community-HC. It creates a good environment for social interactions, and while making some stuff “easier”, it’s actually allowing for more content. For instance, party quests are now actually doable, and one of the biggest improvements is the removal of the “tagging race”. Oh, and the “lines” for the quest mobs, that never worked, because some people were basically acting like a-holes and skipped the entire line, forcing players to spam /attack macro. It has been a more enjoyable experience so far, now that I actually get to play the game instead of waiting for the mobs to spawn and spamming my scroll keybinds.

As for trading, I think it’s better for the overall health of the game, and removes many layers of BS imposed by the community rules previously. All in all, a win-win situation in my eyes. I like it this way more.

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I share your concerns.

To me Blizzard has delivered the bare minimum to experience the Hardcore mode.

Obviously the “fresh state” of the HC servers won’t last for long. We can safely assume we are currently experiencing the closest hardcore mode that will ever be.

Soon, gear, gold and others stuff will have been massively stocked in several personnal/guild banks (which is already the case) and twinks will rule.

I don’t blame anyone for it, since I’ve already started to make my own stocks, mostly in case of something bad happen during my current run, but also for futur attempts. Call me lazy.

To be fair I wish we could all have been pushed to our limits, without any possibility for trading, mailing and using HC.

Living the Solo Self-Found dream, or dying trying.

But hey, let’s not also forget most of the players came here full of addons. Some are fancy ones that litteraly tell you where to go, what to do, maybe even when to take a shower and eat (real food). Turns out people are litteraly paying like $50 or even $90 for that, which is kind of hilarious.

So yeah the so called Hardcore Experience is already more a posture after all. At least we still have the 1 life challenge…which is cool…I guess ?

I suppose the best thing we can do is leveling a first toon right now, enjoying our journey and move on.

Unless…Blizzard decide to do be a bit more serious about it and copy/past some rules that have been established by the Hardcore community for years now, in order to preserve the whole point of these new servers.

I won’t bet on it, but we never know…

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…will rule what exactly?!

Do you guys even hear yourself?! You played until now with the Hardcore Addon on Era servers, where it is much easier to stock gear, gold, etc and it was fine.

Now somehow, on HC server, everything will be ruined. Like wtf ?!

How is trading affecting YOU, more than it affected you on Era servers when you were playing with the Addon?!

Let me translate this : We should all play by my rules, or else server sucks, will die, etc…right?

“Dude”, if there is a rule YOU would like to have but isn’t there, well …guess what? You can self implement it with NO problem, exactly like when you played with the Addon.

You guys are FREE to use that rules. So if its not forced by Blizzard, is bad right?! …then how the F you played with the addon before WITHOUT Blizzard forcing any rule? Answer that …

Feel free to go back to Era servers and play with the addon whenever you want.

Bye!

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I really wonder what I should add, since you seem to reply yourself to your own questions, as well as making your own translations. So what do we do ?

For the record, I’ve never played any Hardcore mode myself so far. Not with any addon or on a dedicated private server (if that kind of thing still exists). Actually, this is my first time leveling like this, believe it or not.

To be fair I’ve known what the Hardcore mode was about since some of my friends, as well as my brother, have been pretty used to this kind of gameplay for years. I’ve always been curious about it and liked the idea to be truly on your own, thanks to very specifics rules of engagement.

Now it doesn’t mean I want to force anyone to play by any rule on the current official servers.

I’m just sharing an honest opinion about how I wish the rules were for Hardcore Classic, because I might have slightly different idea on how Hardcore Classic should be.

I wish Blizzard could have been even further with this concept, since there is already a solid template build over the years by the Hardcore community.

But hey, HC is officially here, so be my guest and play as you wish. At the end of the day it’s your subscription and it’s not like you really should listen to me (or anyone else btw).

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What kind of idiotic thread is this ? Why would it be wrong to trade ?

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Quite a lot of players that hates the though of others achieving something because they didn’t do it with their arbitrary rules.

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Why twinks rule? I still have fun after my rules. Is only themselves they cheat. Let it go!

Why you hurt by what others do?

With trade is much more fun… All Professions possible, look nice is possible. You do you and let others “cheat” if they like to.
I love that rules on official HC realms give u all a chance to tast HC and suply own ules.

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What’s currently stopping you from doing that? There’s even a whole guild on stitches where everyone follows addon rules.

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Yet here you are…geez, acting like all should follow X or Y rules , no matter what. :man_facepalming:

Is exactly what I’m telling people like you. Play as YOU wish. Stop acting like we should all follow your rules or else server badz lololol.

But but … there are people who don’t follow THEIR rules, and achieving level 60 without THEIR rules, is bad and is affecting their…emotions ( or something ).

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Seems you really want me to be that guy telling others what to do, to play by my rules (which aren’t mine, btw) or whatever. Fair enough !

Simply agreeing to OP opinion and sharing a POV, for what it worth. Sounds like you really can’t take it. In other words: it’s a dead end and I’ve really nothing else to add.

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I don’t and I wanna do it fast.

Why it should be?

Because there not so many people like you who wanna play “single solo game” in MMO where ALL(!!!) content was designed for playing and cooperating with another people - rares for quests like hogger, dungeons and ofc raids.

How the trading affects that?

I’m think you’re sadist.

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While you have fun playing healers - you just die die die again and again if not grouping with other people, not trading with mages for water they create and etc etc etc. That “SSF” you want - is not for wow and against all what for wow was made.

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