One of the things people wanted in classic wow was perhaps a shift from the esports mentality of retail. The chill farming and instance running was replaced by an eternal push for the achievement and the next rung in a mythic ladder that never seemed to end.
Now the classic launch didn’t really recapture the magic of 2004. The game systems are still great so are the classes so is the gearing system. It’s an actual mmorpg for christs sake. Yet, and this is a big yet, it also revealed that unlike in 2004 80% of the population are now meta gamers. Everything is about efficiency and the quest for min maxing; Premades in battlegrounds as a new standard, rush for drek discord teams in av, boosting every dungeon, aoe farming every 5 man. It’s a real problem and I know a lot of people feel that and acknowledge it’s to classic’s detriment. But it’s a player’s prerogative at the end of the day to do what they want.
Now imagine TBC. A game with a FAR more competitive ethos than classic. Now you get 14 of the best pvp slots from an ultra competitive and frankly wildly unbalanced pvp mini game. Do we look forward to everyone and their grannie spamming nothing but druid, warlock and warrior in arena? These classes were pretty goat for the duration of the expac.
What does life look like for the casual pvper? You can’t get your gear from doing pve any more really. You can’t just do some pvp one day because you feel like a change. You need to farm the separate resilience sets. Now your coming face to face with meta chasing comps in arena and you happen to play an enhancement shammy and you want to pull your hair out. Sounds like a poor day out for the casual player.
What about flying mounts as soon as they ding 70. When these things were added to the game there was a huge bar to entry for them. Not anymore. Everyone will be flying around in days. Especially if as I suspect players are going to be able to store up their classic wow gold for the expansion to come.
And raiding. A more challenging raid scene may be fine or it may mean less flexibility and a more strigent meta pushing certain players to do things they don’t want to. It’s honestly hard to say. But one thing people may to pushed into doing is daily quests. Yes TBC had dailies. You can’t just farm when you want to it’s a return to bfa style world of chorecraft. If you want your rep and your ‘badge of justice’ drops then your gonna have to put your nose to the grindstone. And perhaps if you want that raid spot you’ll have to log in each day rather than when you feel like it.
In summation, if you think min maxing spoiled classic. I think the systems introduced by tbc are going to dial that up several fold. Get used to constantly doing things you don’t want to do and being excluded from the things you want to do.
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It’s always been wildly accepted that WoTLK was the expansion of “accessibility” and for casuals. TBC at least will offer people something to do outside of raiding and honor farming, and the arena rating system was much better than Vanilla’s ranking system.
But I do fear the “premades ruin game, me quit” threads in TBC will be replaced with “arena gear in normal bgs ruins game, me quit” threads.
Dude, enhancement, same as retri, is capable to earn gladiator standing in tbc in any bracket, just doesnt have the variety of comps that good, as resto druid or rogue/shadow Priest have.
Exactly. Have met the people already, who are not related with wow expansions which have resilence and want to have tbc/bfa like system with equality of pvp/pve gear. You do explain them that pvp will be only i side arenas, bgs Will be simple rare for fun and pvp community will be pretty much dead. You cant even gank by 3 pve’rs on random farm spots like ogrilla or elemental plato, cmon
hahahah retail is the most casual crap ever, what are you even on about?
Classic and TBC is millions more tryhard than anything other than world first mythic raiding in retail - which the average player doesn’t even attempt.
sure maybe in empty realm or bad battlegroup.
but now realms are bigger than ever and gladiator is still top 1%
there are no battlegroups also.
we also have alot more information than last time. so i would expect higher ratings to be full of certain comps for sure
Classic+ gang? Are you actually serious?
Looking at your post, the moment blizz would add stuff to classic that wasn’t in Vanilla you’d be the first to come here and scream like a child why what they added was wrong and how you would do it better.
Also there’s enough evidence that blizz will never ever do classic + so get over it.
As for TBC: you sound like one of those “if I don’t like it neither should you! Waaa!!” kids.
TBC private servers are still thriving and people are just playing normally there. If anything TBC made sure every class has it’s uses and removed the OP builds somewhat. Your argument as class stacking isn’t true now and it isn’t true in TBC.
Get over yourself, TBC is happening, whether you like it or not. These kind of ppl…
Well, i know surely one retri having gladiator from blutdurst battlegroup back then.
On the contrary, if we’ll receive united battlegroup for all EU can’t predict.
Yeah nevermind all the rogue + spriest, rogue + mage, rogue + druid, shaman + warlock, shaman + hunter, spriest + mage teams etc.
You do remember that you can get Gladiator set from two seasons before with honor in BG, right? And that, aside from shoulders and weapon, there’s no arena rating req on items so even at 1500 you can still get nearly fully geared over time?
Why? Do you feel “pushed” to get that Netherdrake or Nether Ray mount? I don’t
That’s definitely not true, there’re so many heroics available that you have a lot of flexibility into when and how to farm badges. You could farm 0 one day and 8-10 hours straight the next day.
In summation, you’re just talking out of your butt
Yeah classic+ surely wouldn’t be “minmaxed”, especially if Classic systems are kept pretty much the same.
All the things you say are not important.
Yes the pve and pvp scene are more competitive, but tbc made more specs good instead of viable so that evens out.
I will main an enh shaman and I don’t expect to do much arena, that’s what my alt will be for.
Less flexibility in raiding like you say is a blatant lie, as more specs (specially hybrids) are now decent tanks too and hybrid dps dishes out a ton more damage or like SP are just brought for their utilities alone.
Yes TBC had dailies, barely any untill SWP, which had some on a small island which could be done in group and gave people in pvp realms incentive to even pvp for area control, again creating more content.
The rep grinds you talk about, all of them got you atleast to honored by doing their quests when leveling
And the heroics tied to those reputations made dungeons daily content for everyone untill the end of the expansion.
Also the badge gear, there wasn’t much to get at first. Most gear came in with patches so if you had a really good item to get with badges it was never more than 2 items.
TBC build on classic and made it better in every way.
And if you still believe the blizzard of today will build you anything good on top of classic you’re delusional.
Flagged your post as trolling because all you do is lie and spread misinformation.
I have plans to switch to enh shaman and arena with it. Very underestimated in actual times. Not mobile but heavy hitting and melting priests harder then any melee. Very strong even in 2s with restodruid
