So, TLDR: NEVER do group content.
People are absolute behind-holes.
They make you die, they complain about your gear (cause you do not use heirlooms), they refuse to heal you, and when you say “Do you want me to leave?” they claim I am threatening them.
People are what is ruining this game experience, so don’t ever try do a dungeon with randoms if you want to play in a fun deathless-way where you get gear as you go etc.
This has happened to me EVERY TIME I have tried to do a dungeon.
Be it at level 12, or level 27, or higher:
People ruin the entire thing with terrible attitudes.
To clarify for people who blame me:
1 - I expect to die.
2 - I do not expect people to be such horrible people.
3 - People pull entire instances and then leave. That’s not ME trying to impose MY way of playing on someone else, that’s people being rude.
4 - Joining a group and getting flamed for your gear, then they refuse to heal you, and when you ask “Want me to leave?” they continue hurling insults and just make you die; that’s again - not them just playing the game, that’s intentional greifing.
5 - If you accept this type of behaviour, you might be one of them. It’s not fun to play group content when group content is full of horrible attituded people.
Of course you should not do group content if you plan to never die.
If you group with 4 people who do not share that goal, of course they will get everyone killed even if they do not do it in purpose
Indeed
If you group up, group up people with same or at least similar goals!
It is not on purpose to kill you and ruin your 0 death streak
They are there to level, fast, even it that mean to die a few times
Expecting 4 other random people to do what you want, expecting them to adapt to your needs and bend to your will is a bit selfish
Maybe
But true
As yourself pointed out, if someone wants to pretend HC, go and play HC, and don’t expect others to do something they never signed up for from the begining
My issue is with peoples attitude, I am not expecting anyone to adapt to me whatsoever.
I’m just expecting people to not be completely rude and selfish themself, by not healing - spouting insults - pulling entire place and then leaving group - not taunting when they loose aggro; etc.
If by anything; THEY are selfish.
I offer to leave and have only grouped on 4 different occassions; and every occassion has been full of extremely RUDE people.
THAT is my issue…
Dying cause they want to kill someone else is not “Leveling fast”.
They are doing things intentionally to be horrible to the rest of the group.
Oh I will just not bother doing LFG at all, and play purely with my friends.
It’s just depressing how rude people are, their attitude is my issue — not my attempts at a different way of playing; The fact that people have such horrible attitudes is the problem.
You disagree with a fact.
It’s not self victimisation when people are being horrible with their attitude, intentionally wiping the group: Pulling entire stockades (for example) and then leaving directly, leaving me and the healer + 1 dps alone.
Starting to assault someone with insults the moment they join a group because they do not have THE PERFECT GEAR (Heirlooms etc), is also not ME victimising MYSELF.
It’s an actual attitude issue of people.
If you disagree with that, then so be it; You like people being that way.
Exactly! I expect nothing besides an actual dungeon run, where people aren’t horrible to eachother (in this case me because my gear is terrible!)
Its the same answer I have given others over the past years; Play with friends.
It’s just horrible you can’t even do a single LFG - while leveling!!! - even, without having the insane type of people in there…
People are so focused on themself, there is no care whatsoever for eachother.
/hug to you.
Wish we lived in a world with people that wasn’t out to ruin things for others, 24/7.
Sadly there are players who will have a good time doing the exact opposite of what is the nice thing to do.
Not dissimilar to a few “rebels” who attacked works of art to use the incident as a way to broadcast their beliefs.
WoW has never really made any effort to make players empathize with each other either.
Even if it is the most tiny thing, FF14 has that commendation system where one is incentivized to be memorable in a good way to the rest of the group (or to be a tank/healer). That small thing is imho what drives players there to be more social and cordial within the instances.