TSM need to be banned

I honestly think it’s one of these issues like multiboxing. Unless Blizzard gets to a point where it can agree that the addons involved are making use of the AH in ways that were not intended, nothing will change. Addons like TSM can perform some very complex actions all by them selves.

It needs Blizzard to break the ability of these addons to function. Until then people will just be happy in their ‘goblin’ phases. That is a fantastic way of phrasing it btw. :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

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simple really, if the account is payed for then its not a bot.

Anything in life worth doing, is worth overdoing. Moderation is for cowards.

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If it’s making decisions based on some logic, then yes it should be banned, 100%.
Imagine if in combat we’d have a tool like this that checks the enemy player’s class, HP, action and takes the appropriate action based on it, be it some attack, heal, cc, interrupt…

I’m actually baffled it was even allowed in the first place, total insanity.

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It’s just weird to me that Blizzard doesn’t consider a bunch of TSM functions that are performing a bunch of actions with one button or making it so the player doesn’t have to click more than once or even list the price of an auction manually as automation.

The people posting hundreds, or thousands of auctions a day would not be doing so without TSM because of how much time it takes without TSM and how much more work it is without TSM.

Not to even get into the ‘sniping’ scan feature where you’re not manually having to search for low priced items and thinking on what items could be overpriced and how much their average prices are.

Blizzard is just so far behind on fixing things like this, just like they were behind on Multiboxing automations.

Thats Modern Blizz, they always take years to fix things. Their way of fixing stuff from years ago is like the GaaS model.

Thats how they think with fixing stuff, everytime. Unless it’s something that makes the game unplayable for almost everyone. They will never ever act until they either a billon amount of threads of the same subject or data.

TSM is good!

The more people fight to sell items the lower prices go. That means is good for buyers like me who don’t farm.

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Ah, the naive capitalist.

Until people don’t get anything sold and give up the game. TSM makes people obsolete and we are left with goblins sniping each other.

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Bots are good too, else people would want 200 gold per 1 single herb, imagine needing to pay 20k for a single flask + 20k for a armor kit, 10k for pots for 1 single raid night, that’s robbing.

Made the same argument on wowhead once and got attacked for it, because apparently some people enjoy mindlessly farming materials for hours on end.
Like seriously, how mundane must your life be if circling around a zone for multiple hours is your definition of fun.

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If it weren’t for TSM, I suspect the majority of slow-selling niche items would not even appear on the auction house. I have over 500+ old world crafts which RARELY, if ever, sell. it’s the 1-2 sales every few days that keep me posting.

If I had to do that manually, I would not bother posting them at all, and I doubt anyone else would either. The auction house would have a smaller selection, and the prices would probably be higher for everything. Not good for the average player IMO.

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Wow as someone who rarely uses the AH I didn’t even know how much it does in that regard. Honestly sounds like the section about cheats in the EULA.

  1. cheats; i.e. methods not expressly authorized by Blizzard (whether accomplished using hardware, software, a combination thereof, or otherwise), influencing and/or facilitating the gameplay, including exploits of any in-game bugs, and thereby granting you and/or any other user an advantage over other players not using such methods;

Only caveat is that, presently, it is not banned by Blizzard.

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They can’t really ban a single addon. They only can change/break some of the API the addon uses. They can introduce 1 human input action for each search query. They can introduce more heavy throttling. But that would break all other AH addons too, and annoy the “normal” players.
To completely break “automation” of player interaction with the AH, they pretty much should remove all addon AH api. That would leave us with the wonderful default AH interface only.

Pure cheat addon, that tracks items that is being sold faster then others.

For e.g. i bought 50k volatile life, guess what prices skyrocketed. Every time i buy something in stack , prices skyrocket because that stupid addon shows for AH re-sellers that these items sells or were sold like 500% faster then average time, so they buy and re-list for higher price 5-10 times more - trying to scam people.

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Huh? It sounds like you are describing the basics of economics, or am I missing something?

If you buy 50k volatile life, you’ve restricted the supply, and thus the price rises. You surely didn’t expect it to stay at the same price after emptying the market? :smiley:

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i gave an example. Whatever i buy that addon shows that x items was sold very fast and it 's value to be sold is way higher. So AH players buy x item and trying to re-sell for more because x item is showing in that addon as very likely to be sold.

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Then they clean out the rest of the AH to re-list and in comes vortex pinnacle billy and dumps his 50k volatiles. The addon isn’t magical.

That addon MUST be banned period.

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…what, Raid addons, couldn’t agree more.

As for TSM, you have to pay for that yearly right?..they can ban it after my year is up.

maybe they should reconsider the hours an auction can be in the ah and remove that if you want. i never bought someone and waiter until i won. I bet 99% of the people buy it at listing price so why is there even a timer :man_shrugging: