Then it is totally fine to be a racist maniac.
I could understand the Orc thing. Givven that during that time Orcs were just brutal monsters like the scourge.
But the elf thing doesn’t justify being a racist that whishes to kill all people of a race because they wanted to protect their own people. That is what you would normally still call being evil.
Yes indeed because he was able to and Garithos didn’t have the chance to. But the thing about whataboutism is, even though Garrosh was worse, it doesn’t mean Garithos was not completely evil and dispicable. The one thing doesn’t cancel teh other, they are disjunct.
I just gave the example with Romania and Moldova. Similar story, actually.
Once an independent state is established you don’t have the right to go and claim it anymore. The people of that state declared independence and suveranity, you lost, get over it.
That way we would just go invade lands because they were once a part of us.
You said he was racist for the sake of it, that’s not true at all, he was racist for a very precise reasion. I didn’t say it was fine to be a racist maniac, I said he had his reasons for being one.
Yes indeed because he was able to and Garithos didn’t have the chance to. But the thing about whataboutism is, even though Garrosh was worse, it doesn’t mean Garithos was not completely evil and dispicable. The one thing doesn’t cancel teh other, they are disjunct.
Why do you keep saying Garithos was completely evil and despicable? Haven’t I already proven that he had his reasons for being the way he was?
Meanwhile we have Sylvanas over here trying to kill everyone in the cosmos, but somehow it’s Garithos the one who is purely evil and despicable.
How am I backtracking. I said he was an azz and I’m glad we killed him, didn’t say it was a morally good act, just that I’m happy he got killed because he would never let the Forsaken live in peace.
They were Alliance in the name only really. In both WarCraft 2 and 3 they just sent a token force to help the humans while they stayed in Quel’Thalas. Kael’thas started to help the humans only after Sunwell got destroyed, before that he was content hiding behind trees.
They were much more useful for the horde than they ever were for the Alliance.
I just told you. Originally you were not being fair towards Garithos at all, you kept painting him as an evil bastard and Syvlanas as a good person who claimed what was rightfully hers.
Ironically killing Garithos caused Sylvanas to lose any chance of joining the Alliance, since Garithos was funded by the Alliance. So that actually backfired completely (as Sylvanas’ actions always do).
You don’t understand. Being evil is not a cake where if one takes a bigger piece the others get less of it.
Sylvanas is basically hitler … yes but does it mean that noone else can now be evil or equally evil… is it even possible to measure evilness?
Is it really a difference wether i burn alive 10 or 10000 children?
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Or let me say it this way: in my opinion Maiev is extremely evil … she is a murderer, ursupator, she has commited a lot of crimes in the name of wardens justice. I love that character Im a huge Maiev fangirl, but that character is obviously evil.
And if she ever gets a chance by Blizzard to attack on the horde and razes entire cities, I will also call her out on being unnecessarily evil no matter the circustances.
Even after Teldrassil killing orc children and mothers would be evil.
Gathering everyone who participated in WoT or orchestrated it into a circle and kill them all off within Orgrimmar, is Warden Vengence. Not necessarily justice, but vengence.
I am not saying Garithos was not evil. I am saying he had reasons for being evil, while you originally said he was racist for the sake of it. You even admitted you don’t know much about Garithos, so I don’t know why you are so willing to die on this hill.
The fact that you felt the need to call him a bastard and saying he deserved it, the fact that literally in the next post you mentioned Garithos telling them “to f. off” as if he did something so terrible, when in reality it was part of the deal that Lordaeorn would go to him, so he had every right to do that.
Because I find raceism inherently evil. No matter what.
Being it in fiction or real life. Racism has no ground because you make a 3years old child responsible for the acts of others for example.
A 3 years old orc didn’t kill Garithos family for example. Neither did he burn Teldrassil.
His father on the other hand might have and he specifically should than be punished. But that is not raceism but vengence.
Sorry raceism in my view never has a reason. It is inherently illogical and stupid.
It falls apart when you make that 3 years old orc responsible for the murder of his father.
You can hate a specific culture that imposes such behaviour, or a beliefe. But a race is a born into thing that doesn’t make sence.
I could raise an orc child into a bloodthirsty monster as we currently have, or into a nature loving druid who studies under Malorne. The race doesn’t make the difference, the culture does.
Oh come on… now you get petty.
It is a phrase. It implied there is no reason. Which I pointed out.
I’m sorry but I won’t give you any cm towards racisms can ever have a reason or worse justification.
Garithos was evil, Slyvanas is, Garrosh was, Maiev is.
I try not to measure evilness because at some point it would just relativate things.
If Sylvanas is more evil than Garrosh, it would relativate bombing a School.
Sylvanas just has reached a peak with the Horde where I can’t think of it becoming ever more climactic. With intentions being worse and worse.
We somehow sometimes think of evil being cool, but actually for me it means you have lost everything humane and became just a monster. It is the worst you can be.
I didn’t “get petty”, you contradicted yourself, simple. If you thought there is no valid reason for being racist, then you wouldn’t have felt the need to specify that he was racist “for the sake of it”.
Do you realize that you argue about the terms and phrases I used as a non-nativ speaker instead of the arguments I provided?
Not a good style for a discussion. And it drags this thread length with no real contribution.
I think I have explained myself.