I think that’s just semantic nitpicking, as tribe is being used more and more these days as a general sociological term.
It’s also because of this being a confirmed thing that a lot of the Quel’dorei now say it’s okay to return home to Silvermoon and then start spouting Alliance propoganda around the City like it isn’t still Horde.
Talking about how the Horde is this, that and the third.
We´re fully in agreement there, and ideally Midnight would have split faction cities (maybe restored Dalaran for the Alliance, as it should have always been).
This however isn´t as one-sided as you make it look. Lor´themar accepted back Sunfury, which means blood elves now have a not that insignificant portion of their population that nuked a settlement of Kirin Tor, which included high elves, and tried to nuke Allerian Stronghold. The magisters were also brainwashing people who spoke against alliance of Quel´Thalas with the Horde, while those that refused to feed on living beings for their mana were banished.
Then we have Sunreavers who were both responsible for creation of mana bomb that destroyed Theramore and betrayal of Kirin Tor to steal Divine Bell.
And even the eeeeeeevil Silver Covenant also have bone to pick with Mr. “I just write wholesome poetry for my tall wife”, given that he tried to get them off from Thalassian soil when they were literally helping against the Amani on Halduron´s behalf.
Can´t speak much on void elves, their whole story is trash even if I like their aesthetic.
Blood elves aren´t without fault, is the gist of what I´m talking about. Elven unification isn´t a situation where evil high elves come to repent for their crimes against good and moral blood elves (as some characters in RP like to view it, I´m sure they will fit in the story just as well as high elves who still go full murderhobo on their brethren), it´s one of few cases where you can truly say that each side has commited crimes against the other and should answer for them.
We´ll just have to wait and see if Metzen manages to pull it off.
I think mechanically it will be neutral simply because as new capital it will have to be accessible to both sides. However I´d like to see high and void elves have their own embassies that are distinct from majority blood elven Silvermoon, if only for aesthetic reasons.
Void elves are obvious in their aesthetic distinction, but high elves too have often been presented as more toned down in terms of magical aspects in the architecture and decor. It would feel bit off both as high and blood elf RPer to just have both groups blend fully.
Oh no I compeltely know and agree with this.
It’s why I also just think it really random that Silvermoon suddenly becoming Neutral and everyone saying how they love eachother is absolutely ludicrous.
I want to keep that storyline going the fracture, the splinter it’s what makes the interactions against my other fellow Elf-kin in RP -Great-.
Both sides have done equally worse to eachother over time and Lor’themar being this flirt with switching sides after doing ALL OF THAT ABOVE and overseeing it is what realy irks me. I know the whole Garrosh scene of “Maybe it’s time to consider old alliances.” But come on…Like guy is now married to the Nightborne who was publically humiliated by the Kaldorei when they originally tried to unify her kin to the Kaldorei and then joined the Horde to be with Lor’themar. Like there is SO MUCH THERE.
That it seems to be thrown out on a whim and disregarded. That is the pain and irking feeling of being a Sin’dorei RP’er in the wake of all this change.
Honestly part of me thinks that maybe Silvermoon being updated = Exodar update = Exodar maybe moving to Quel’thalas as a secondary hub but that’s just me on copium.
I can happily agree with a minority of the ruins of Silvermoon (now rebuilt) being an Alliance-aligned hub where tension is possible between both sides of the fence. That’s interesting but if it’s just silvermoon is fully neutral and now my character’s city house is next door to a Ren’dorei and Quel’dorei that’ll be naught but disgust.
It also opens a potential third arc for me in all honesty being horde loyal and all what if my character after learning of this change decides to go against his High Home and openly shame it by hiring Amani around his lands and having them work around the area - That’s just a third dig though.
I think we will see draenei islands updated as part of the patches, since they can be implemented way easier than Quel´Thalas as it requires to just plop a new island off the coast of Kalimdor. Also, they´d be a good target for Void attack and are the only part of pre-Cata Azeroth that Blizzard hasn´t announced as being updated in World Soul Saga.
Maybe we´ll get an Exodar raid.
I sympathize, however I think there´s also a potential for interesting story in having to work together and dealing with that dynamic (especially if Void destroys Sunwell at the beginning of the expansion, which I hope happens…I want my characters to suffer).
However, I think it would also be interesting if we saw some characters and groups (and as such, allowing us RPers to go on that path too) refusing this unification and forming sort of rebel cells that are hostile to this new QT. Or even stuff like your idea to hire Amani (“I prefer no Quel´Thalas to Quel´Thalas filled with quel´dorei and ren´dorei”) to sabotage this new elven kingdom.
Classic AD moment, jumping the gun on something months in advance, aswell as trying to speed-run everything.
Who cares? Orcs didn’t need to be justified they were going to have to take the land from someone.
Not sure if you just don’t read or fail to comprehend?
I suppose if you play the game from the point of view of your character who can kill Kil’jadaen, Archimonde and Sergaras jump on your star mount and fly around the city then sure. That is about the only way you can make that sort of statement. The average human, Orc, Tauren, Troll, Dwarf, Elf lives pretty close to medieval standard with magic. I don’t think of my characters as special snowflakes with super abilities that make me god like. I would love to hear your thoughts on how the average Night elf or Troll lives.
The average dwarf lives next door to a Steam Tank factory and is best friends with a gnome who escaped the self-nuking of their own city.
The average human lives in Stormwind, in which there are massive steam powered ships, airships, and a full underground tram that runs cross-continent to the aforementioned dwarf city.
Orcs also have airships. Their city was built by goblins, who pilot huge mecha-shredders.
A tauren hunter’s starting weapon is a gun, not a bow/crossbow.
Night Elves and darkspear trolls are perhaps the least technologically advanced races, but only because they supplement it with magic. When you can simply grow a massive tree-dude to fight for you, inventing siege tanks takes a back seat.
I would say it was a series of collapses, a lot of the legions seemed to be plotting to overthrow or abandon Garlemald in some fashion using horrifying magical doomsday weapons (like Valens van Varro and Noah van Gabranth). Even Gaius goes against the imperial grain after the end of ARR. The emperor wanted to destroy the entire world with magic mustard gas. To say it collapsed just because of Zenos is simplifying it a bit, the Empire was destined to collapse much like its real world inspirations (Rome, The Third Reich and the Soviet Union) due to its philosophy of might makes right and rampant expansionism.
But granted, Zenos was the one who saw it through (and it wasn’t really his primary goal).
Given that farmers of Kul Tiras used Harvest Golems, which are basically robots, to reap the crops, while in Northrend, farmers that came with Valiance Expedition also used them (suggesting that their use is no longer limited to Kul Tiras or to Defias that used them to terrorize the farmers of Westfall), I´d say your average John Humanpeasant is well aware of at least some very non-medieval technological advancements.
An Arathi lore thread with such a poor sense of reading comprehension that not only have most of you entirely misunderstood what few lore of the Arathi we’ve been given, but on top of that, some of you are still processing Battle for Azeroth.
These forums’ framework HAS to run on Internet Explorer.
I just want to kill Thoradin, man.
You can’t kill Thoradin he died centuries ago leaving behind a massive wall to mock you.
Oh, the rubble? Good for a catapult.
Talking about the new one, you know humans. Repeating names.
Yeah, never made sense for the Thalassian elves to leave the Alliance and join the Horde when the orcs tried to commit genocide on their people and burned down their forests and the only reason they survivid was by the arrival of half the Alliance army (leaving towns and villages defenseless) and the betrayal of Gul’dan…
Oh wait, they did join the faction that gleefully wanted to commit genocide on their people!
They gave the Horde a bloody nose in Ashenvale, so badly that Sylvanas herself had to step in.
So you think they should return to the Alliance, “sticking to their loyalties”?
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Which cities??
Wonder if he counts half elves, darkfallen, naga, highborne, night elves, nightborne as “tribes” too.
Empire of Dorei?
Darkfallen/Forsaken night elves have a permanent presence in Bel’ameth, alongside Kaldorei death knights and demon hunters.
I just hope the Horde will finally get an Amani allied race/bulky troll customisation options, Zul’Aman as a new city (to compensate SM going neutral)!
We can kill Thoradin the Ninth, tho!
Yeah, think i am going to disengage.
Their justification was immediate and constant attacks from the Centaurs and Quilboars, who had been hunting the tauren to near extinction. The latter, natives, also invited the orcs.
You call the orcs evil colonials.
Gilneas and Kul Tiras have both experienced an industrial revolution to the point that their societies resemble the latter half of the 1700s. Stormwind, as others have stated, has an entire quarter of its city dedicated to the dwarves, a mechanical marvel in the form of the Deeprum Tram. They have airships. Your average farmer in even poorest Westfall has tons of mechanical harvesters tending to the fields.
Everything I said for humans applies to the dwarves (except for Wildhammers) but doubled.
Both have had highly advanced (in terms of magic; it replaced technology) continental spanning empires. Nothing about WoW is really Medieval unless your definition of Medieval dudes in armour hitting each other with swords. But almost all of the races you mentioned are closer to the Renaissance than anything if you want an historical time period - the monarchies are absolute instead of feudal, there are large standing armies with suits of mass produced armies, and a ton of gunpowder weapons.
Along with flying machines, submarines and airships. And more.
With Blizzard’s typical American fascination with monarchies I’m surprised we’ve only had 9 Thoradins since the Arathi left the mainland.
It made a lot of sense for multiple reasons.
First, orcs were under demonic influence, which meant that any actions they did aren´t fully their fault. Same goes for Forsaken and the often repeated argument of “but undead destroyed Quel´Thalas”. Yes, they did, while being mind-controlled by the Lich King, which the Forsaken (lead by hero of Quel´Thalas) weren´t.
Meanwhile, Othmar Garithos, a man that Alliance of southern EK collectively supported, and was allowed to act without impunity by Kirin Tor (even getting help from at least one of its members, Kassan), ordered execution of all blood elves he could get his hands on, which at that point represented 15% of blood elven race.
If we want to talk about genocide, Alliance attempt at one was far more recent and with much, much more free will than the one by the Horde. Not to mention that at the time, those blood elves were part of the Alliance, so it was Alliance literally betraying them after they sent their best troops to aid it.
Then we also have practical reasons, such as proximity, already existing support from the Forsaken in Ghostlands, and the fact that (possibly because of revelations during draenei starting zones, that make a lot of sense to have happened before blood elf ones) Alliance was actively sabotaging Quel´Thalas both in Eversong and Ghostlands.
Let´s not pretend that Blizzard didn´t put a lot of legwork into justifying why blood elves joined the Horde (and then put in the effort to justify it again in MoP).
Sorry I was bieng sarcastic, I actually like the blood elves bieng Horde.
I was just pointing out that attempted genocide, and loyalty to a faction, have never stopped Thalassian elves from switching before else they would’ve firmly remained Alliance over all these years.
(And yeah Garithos was bad, but the guy was about as much “Alliance” as Jubei’thos was “New Horde”)
Edit: Except Liadrin who goes out of her way to help Alliance races left and right, lol.
How would/should they have stopped/opposed him?
When the choice is between turning a blind eye or the genocide of your entire nation, which should they have chosen?