Tyrande's Darkening (8.1 spoilers)

Yes… I mean no… I mean :exploding_head:

Sorry. I learned from the best :wink:

Hello, Zarao, how’s it going?

I am not certain why Tyrande sent me her disgusting owl. I really wanted to shoot the bird and send it back to Tyrande with a message stating how she is useless and will never even be High Queen. Alas, No choice for Alliance players in 8.1.

You will leave innocent animals out of this.

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Try me, DEHTA loser.

Bored.

Finished at work but have to wait for some stupid dude to send me some stuff and can’t go home yet.

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Yeah, and as long as people are living in parts of the cosmos governed by their interactions with both other people and the cosmos itself then “good” and “bad” have an innate merit.

What’s strange is people are forever telling me morality is worthless or pointless just because it’s an “abstraction”. Nobody ever says the same thing about, say, classical mechanics.

Please don’t, it reads like something my 12 year old nephew might write for his critical thinking homework :stuck_out_tongue:

Alright, fair enough. I’ll take your word for all of these because I can’t be bothered to check, so let’s just say the Alliance has indeed carried out some morally dubious acts in its time and is culpable for them all.

Call me when a cutscene shows an Alliance commander directly ordering underlings to kill civilians and we’ll talk more.

There’s no “demonisation” going on here. The Horde are the villains. It’s written all over everything, including the lore.

If you burn a city to the ground once that’s a villainous act, one wretched enough to stain the character of even the most moral commander. If you do it once and never again you still bear moral responsibility for that one time, but it’s not a pattern. You’re a criminal, not a villain.

That describes the Alliance. Horde white knighters clutch at things like Camp Taurajo and the Purge of Dalaran because, aside from minor incidents in quests here and there, they’re the only two major crimes the Alliance actually has any culpability for - and while I’ll admit I was wrong about Dalaran, I’m still not convinced the Alliance is guilty of anything other than waging war in Taurajo’s case.

If we examine the Horde’s record we find similar small side incidents in quests here and there - a Sentinel commander murdered here, a jailbreak there, a few dead human guards somewhere else - but the number of actual atrocities the Horde carry out is much higher than “Taurajo and Dalaran”. The Horde thrives on atrocities, with commanders ordering them left, right and centre without ever being punished for it, except that one time Garrosh - of all people - threw a commander to his death for bombing those druids.

The Horde are villains. If you dislike that, reroll Alliance.

I thought one of manifestations of human supremacy over other races was their capability of feeling for other creatures while other sentient species are void of such emotional complexity?

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No, animals are below Humans, as such they should be treated as pets, not equals. The trait of a good Human is the will to assert their dominance, not quiver in fear like silly elves or gullible orcs. Like the late High King Varian Wrynn, who never surrendered, not even at the very gates of Hell.

Someday you will also serve the Forsaken…

They don’t want him.

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What’s that? I thought that Free Will was the cornerstone of Forsaken society? Or so the Sylvanas fanboys (those who draw fanarts of her wearing a bikini) tell me.

Amen to that

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You would make a wonderful Forsaken.

Evil twin brother of LsWindrunner confirmed.

I imagine that you are referring to the Lightforged Undead, the new Forsaken, led by Calia Menethil, who are destined to become a future Alliance Allied Race because… It should be obvious, I shouldn’t even have to explain it. Because the list of potential Alliance Allied Races is quite lacking at the moment.

Oh my god. The horde attacked the Norwington. They… will pay for that. How can someone attack such a good family?

Indeed. Lord Norwington is such a lovable old man. He is one of the most innocent characters in this expansion, so of course the minions of the Lich Queen have to bother him during one of his lavish parties. Thankfully Jaina is onto that and will make them pay dearly fo their sinful transgression.

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0:56 “No witnesses”- said the SI:7 commander.

Best you can argue here is that the Alliance is less villainous than the Horde. And even then, you’d need to ignore the fact that most of the Horde villainous acts were something the faction itself found disagreeable and distanced from (Most of what happened under Garrosh).

Or the fact that from the Horde point of view, many Alliance acts are seen as villainous as theirs.
If i stab someone to death for stealing an apple or cutting down branches from one of my trees, the one going to jail is me.

A murdered isn’t less so depending on the amount of people he killed. The penalty itself may vary, but you are labelled a murdered regardless of the amount of people you killed.

Your statement seems heavily Alliance tinted. Taking a look at the situation from the other side, things look different.

Neither side is the villain of the story.
But that doesn’t mean they are not seen as opposing poles, and are portrayed antagonistic with each other.

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