Unrestricted RP-PvP

[Koiffen-argent-dawn (Koiffen)]

If you can’t beat 'em, join 'em.

[Galgrum-argent-dawn (Galgrum)]

@Elenthas-argent-dawn

There’s only so many times I can see someone shout “hold the line!” and “push forward!” when auto-attacking before it gets a bit samey.

… Or better yet, every Shen Bapiro trying to DESTROY the Horde with FACTS and LOGIC rather than, you know, a sword.

@Vervaina-argent-dawn

An unrestricted PvP setting does not leave much room for, well, much of anything else at the time. Typing out a conversation when engaged in a high-intensity gameplay sounds stressful at best, so at that point the RP aspect of RP-PvP will be hard pressed to work out.

The fact that PvP is happening in the context of RP is what makes it RP-PvP. This idea that RP-battles must have emotes and chatter to make it valid is silly.

Unrestricted RP-PvP is as valid as using /rolls in DM’d RP. Its purpose is to determine an outcome and guide how the RP unfolds afterwards.

Because that’s where the actual RP happens: Afterwards. Its in how our characters take the sting of defeat and the friction that creates, or from the rush of victory and the camaraderie it builds, and so on.

My spicy take is that people who laud restricted RP-PvP over unrestricted probably think the best bits of the Lord of the Rings are the fight scenes.

[Twiluna-argent-dawn]

This ^^
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[Elenthas-argent-dawn (Elenthas)]

@Galgrum-argent-dawn

… Or better yet, every Shen Bapiro trying to DESTROY the Horde with FACTS and LOGIC rather than, you know, a sword.

Ser, I know that we may be opposites on this field of battle, but have you considered that perhaps your politics may be…wrong? I’ve organised this powerpoint presentation which I shall deliver in between axe swings for your perusal.

[anon64609363]

@Elenthas-argent-dawn

your politics may be…wrong?

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[Crowton-argent-dawn (Crowton)]

@Elenthas-argent-dawn

Ser, I know that we may be opposites on this field of battle, but have you considered that perhaps your politics may be…wrong? I’ve organised this powerpoint presentation which I shall deliver in between axe swings for your perusal.

Cox n' Crendor: Star Nerds

But also love unrestricted, give me more of it, thanks.

[Akamito-argent-dawn (Akamito)]

Guys sorry can you stop attacking me I need to emote my character having a personal flashback that gives them the motivation to keep fighting against hopeless odds.

Thanks.

[Distantpeak-argent-dawn (Distantpeak)]

Flashback to mother lovingly preparing pasta
Akamito then lifts his head, seeing the rebels. He charges with renewed vigor and hate in his eyes.

[Elenthas-argent-dawn (Elenthas)]

Sir, SER. I will agree to a robust discourse about this subject, but I must insist that you cease your attempts to remove my head while we do so.

[Atahalni-argent-dawn (Atahalni)]

A valid point, mr. Bapiro.

However…

[Zukon-argent-dawn]

@Elenthas-argent-dawn

@Galgrum-argent-dawn

… Or better yet, every Shen Bapiro trying to DESTROY the Horde with FACTS and LOGIC rather than, you know, a sword.

Ser, I know that we may be opposites on this field of battle, but have you considered that perhaps your politics may be…wrong? I’ve organised this powerpoint presentation which I shall deliver in between axe swings for your perusal.

Bonus points if it is a six paragraph doctor’s dissertation about the duality of good and evil on both sides.

You are in a battle. People are screaming and dying around you. Blood and sweat are burning in your eyes under that helmet. Swords are clashing all around you. If you focus on an argument, you’re dead…

[Banrhun-argent-dawn (Banrhun)]

As Horde Tauren your enemies will constantly appeal to your morality and tell you how horrible the Horde is in the middle of combat. Forsaken will get constantly threatened with death or worse and you’ll soon be tired of the word “rotter”.

[Distantpeak-argent-dawn (Distantpeak)]

@Banrhun-argent-dawn

tired of the word “rotter”.

Tired of it after the first use.

[anon64609363]

@Banrhun-argent-dawn

“rotter”.

Is this an insult?

[Stirrer-hydraxian-waterlords]

I had a few enjoyable unrestricted RP-PvP events in the past which mainly boiled down to:

• Participants abiding to certain gear restrictions (in Legion that was unequipping legendaries, now it would likely mean getting rid of corrupted items)
• These are people you know, trust & talked to before. For it not to devolve into a bunch of salty gamers getting angry, you need for people to have a somewhat mature and even non-competitive mindset going in.
• Don’t allow random people who want to jump in to throw the numbers off-balance or you will quickly find the OOC mood drop.

Regarding the mechanics itself:

• Plan about 5-10 encounters perhaps along a road or within a barrow den/cave or so, potentially with side-objectives. Perhaps both groups want to reach the final objective before the other or perhaps the other group have an item the others want.
• To do that, they need to “win” the battles to get the headstart, which means the loser of the last encounter will always be the attacker while the winner defends.
• Inbetween those encounters, you can give people room to RP. Add some ambience RWs (or those related to the side objectives) and I think it leaves a decent amount of room for roleplay.

Overall, no matter what you do, if you have immature players who just want to win and see it as a normal battleground, everyone will have a bad time. There’s also those that get extremely angry over losing.

Edit: Always liked the idea of a guild/squad roaming about in Warmode and considering the random OOCers normal Horde/Alliance soldiers and RPing between combat. Wanted to mix that with winged DMs/Exploration inbetween, but sadly never got the chance to try it out.

[Thuzar-argent-dawn (Thuzar)]

@Karzam-argent-dawn

But now that we’ve got the elixir of tongues you can actually RP with the enemy, make it a storyline. And yes, although that often devolves into weird semi-banter or gross insults, there’s a potential and a fun to be had there that makes it waaaay better for RP imo

Totally, but you don’t get a lot of upclose banter going when you are in the backline casting spells every 5secs

still I fondly remember having a “duel” between my pandaren and another in the middle of a larger fight.

[Vervaina-argent-dawn]

@Elenthas-argent-dawn

Most of the conversations in restricted aren’t exactly peak interest either.

There’s only so many times I can see someone shout “hold the line!” and “push forward!” when auto-attacking before it gets a bit samey.

I will argue that it is what you make of it. You can absolutely have a heated conversation with an enemy up close and even add emotes to that auto-attacking routine to give it some flair and let a clash not be determined by whose guild showed up with the most healers for the event.

If that is ignored solely to focus on the morale-driven shouting match you mention, it is indeed about as stale as month old wheat toast.

@Thuzar-argent-dawn

Totally, but you don’t get a lot of upclose banter going when you are in the backline casting spells every 5secs

Also a valid point.

[Elenthas-argent-dawn (Elenthas)]

@Vervaina-argent-dawn

I will argue that it is what you make of it. You can absolutely have a heated conversation with an enemy up close and even add emotes to that auto-attacking routine to give it some flair and let a clash not be determined by whose guild showed up with the most healers for the event.

Not sure emotes would work that well when you’ve got two raids clashing. The chat would be suitably chaotic I guess, but good look finding them.

Do you still get the “/e makes some strange gestures” from op-faction peeps who do custom emotes (with/without the elixir) or did they change that?

[Distantpeak-argent-dawn (Distantpeak)]

@Elenthas-argent-dawn

you still get the “/e makes some strange gestures” from op-faction peeps who do custom emotes (with/without the elixir) or did they change that?

Emotes translate with the elixir, I believe.

[Vervaina-argent-dawn]

@Elenthas-argent-dawn

Do you still get the “/e makes some strange gestures” from op-faction peeps who do custom emotes (with/without the elixir) or did they change that?

I think it works? You’d have to ask someone more willing to fraternize with the enemy than I.