Thats all? This will fix what exactly please someone explain me.
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Dunno about frost, but buff fire flamestrike and living bomb is a joke.
I rly do not understand to these changes. Btw: I rly preffer to play ignite build. It´s finally somehting different.
Fire dosn´t need to be OP, but alteast playable compare to other spec / class. Many ppl decline you on 15+ with 2K+ rio.
Ignite build used to be good back to bfa with meteor compo and unique ye.
Frost and fire “tunning” seems meaningless to me i cant even call it them buffs we wont notice any difference fr
Better than nothing. But not what i hoped for, at all. Seems to me that the frost buffs is more related to PvP.
In my situation, in current rotations, frostbolt is roughly 8-9% of my damage contribution. This change will see an estimated 1.7-1.9% damage increase overall as frostbolt is more than likely to be shattered on use already (65% crit rate average), and as far as I can believe, this will not change our current rotation for any content.
It is a welcome change, but considering we are leagues behind meta, it doesn’t change much I’m afraid.
Don’t forget, that if Flamestrike gets buffed, the corresponding Ignite from said Flamestrike gets buffed too.
I don’t think anyone takes the actual Living Bomb talent, just the incendiary Eruptions one, which procs like crazy in AoE.
Jeez, as if people didn’t complain enough when they took a 120k GS to the face…
Where’s the AoE buffs? Are we cursed to be only good at cleave, slightly behind on ST and miles behind on AoE.
Funny thing is that frost is getting buffed AGAIN. And in 10.5 patch frostbolt is getting buffed even more. Maybe buff it bit more once and not again every 4 weeks or so
This confirms my thesis that they literally have no idea about this game. Frostbolt does like 3% overall damage on a fight. If you buff it by 20% it will do 3.6%. That is not even a 1% buff to the spec. Frost does like 30% less than top specs on singletarget and less then half damage on aoe. These numbers are deceiving. This literally don’t change anything on the spec don’t believe that this is an actual buff.
Glacial spike change also not going to make this build work. Glacial spike cast time is way too long for its playstyle to work.
I just don’t get it. When they buff other characters they literally buff like 5 skills by 15-20% but for frost they do nothing.
These are the buffs frost mage need at least:
Frozen orb probably 30% dmg increase
Flurry - 50% dmg increase
Ice lance - 20% dmg increase
Blizzard 100% dmg increase
Frostbolt probably double its base dmg.
They literally throw tunning opportunity for fire /frost even fix some arcane gameplay in the trash. I canceled my sub i lost faith no blue post no mage developer to explain us the reasons behind this no nothing. This is not a good customer service for me. Idc if i wont be missed my money will from them 
Blizzard probably don’t read EU forums but we need to contact someone that can inform them about how bad in a state mage is. Frost is drastically undertuned fire needs an entire revamp and arcane is other than doing good damage its playstyle is awful. Person that helming the class balance / design and specially mage really needs to be replaced. Need a new person with a fresh take on mage design.
We literally started an expansion and there is zero desire to play mage. New expansion is too far away to “fix” mage then.
Its more talent tuning than spec tuning. Be nice if ray and glacial are the best option in some situations. Also be nice to be able to flame strike on packs instead than hoping the mob your combusting on doesn’t die too fast.
That’s so cute, like all that is wrong is that Blizzard isn’t looking at their data at all and all it takes is some courageous player notifying them.
I honestly don’t know why nothing is being done, but you know those DPS rankings and stuff people bring up all the time? Blizzard is the literal source of that data. They have it, and they sure look at it. Hell, they deploy hotfixes to bosses during the world first race.
I have no clue why they are ignoring mages but as much as I like to make fun of what their billion dollar company sometimes ships, after 20 years they probably have an aggregator for statistics and can easily check the average M+ groups damage by spec and look at the talents taken and how each performs.
Even malice is hard to argue. Those changes aren’t made by a single dev. Maybe supervised by a single person, but hard to picture some prick manager go “no, fire/frost mages will stay garbage this patch! no buffs even though the data clearly shows them underperforming” and then the entire balance team just going “ok master”
Maybe they see what a trainwreck the class is and are looking into some more fundamental changes in the near future and hold quick fixes off until they get to it to not waste time. Hell, maybe they are looking into breaking RoP’s stranglehold on the class.
See - again - I really don’t get how such a huge studio with so many years of experience can be so slow at tuning numbers (it does feel like there is a single person with not too much interest in their job). It should be like a weekly habit that takes a two hour meeting and then depending on amount of needed changes a few hours to get it into testing. But I really doubt they’re not aware of those parses we are looking at (or even better data). I refuse to believe they’re that incompetent. I’d be more open to believing the malicious team lead theory, but if nobody there is aware of the state fire and frost are in I sincerely have no clue what the hell these folks are doing all day.
What really annoys me though is that there is once again 0 communication. I pity anyone who believed their promises to change that.
Its easily answered. Arcane looks decent and theyre fine with 1 of 3 speccs being good. Blizzard have always run in this sorta way.
Look at when fire was dominating, frost and arcane sucked. It just annoyed less players as fire has become the norm to be best of the 3 for tbe prior 6 years
Which would still boggle my mind as far as how these people spend even 8 hours 5 days a week.
Also hey let’s add another class, we can’t even be arsed to balance all the specs we have so far, how fun would it be to have 2 more?
Blizard is looking at their data from competitive standpoint. Since no one is running frost literally because it is bad they have no idea how bad it is. When they “buff” frostbolt by 20% and nothing else that screams they have no idea about how frost works. Look at your own data. Frostbolt does 3% overall damage in a single target fight even less in aoe. If you buff it by 20% what data will you get? It is literally nothing. Meaningless changes. Not even a 1% overall damage buff to the spec. This spec is at least 20% behind on singletarget.
Other than that frost is not viable on high keys like 15+. AoE is literaly non existant. Anyone that thinks its aoe is good or decent probably never grouped up with other chars that do actually good damage. Just saying if you are top dps in your m+ group you are playing with bad people.
What bothers people is not that if there is a 5-10% difference in specs. Difference is bigger than ever before. You can play arcane but where is the free choice? What was the purpose of bringing back old talent trees (which purpose should be build diversity but there is zero because of awful balance) and finally nothing locks you behind a spec like covenant or artifact weapon did in the past but yet still forced to run one spec due to monstrous imbalance. If you play frost in m+ you will either be replaced/not invited or you are doing a huge disservice to the party not running arcane.
https://raider.io/mythic-plus-spec-rankings/season-df-1/world/mage/frost
Nothing wrong with frost in m+dude. It may not be top dps but its far from bad. Mage has a bigger problem on the horizon in pugland, the rise of the ench shammy!
premade with top geared top guild people ye sure it is viable. Not for wide variety of players. The problem is that most of the other characters are so faceroll to play. So easy to aoe with literaly just spam 1 ability and bam 300k aoe while mage has so many things to set up and does half of it. Balance it properly jesus christ thats all people ask for. Would it hurt if frost deals proper aoe with blizzard and frozen orb? Actual aoe abilities for christ sake. They are outdpsd by ice lance spam that hits 2 targets.
Define viable? It’s decent on overall damage, great on funnel, perma slows, ranged, double ice block, decurse, greater invis and brings bl. Do you think it has to be topping meters to be viable?
Frost mage has so many things to set up?
IV > orb > blizzard > ice lance and chuck in ice nova when you have a free gcd, another rune when you can.
Fire doesn’t have things to set up either. Choose mob with most health > combust. Arcane is the only one with the crazy long opener and the difficulty is rewarded with great dps.
Do you even play a mage or are u trolling us? So u agree that this tunning for mage will be helpful or it was the correct touch? We know that arcane is doing great dpa with this stupid set up they added. Is it fun for all? No once arc got nerf none will play mage.
Link me your logs as fire and frost then since you think is more than viable teach us 
I can google top guilds and say all specs are viable as well since classic
arcane has a lot to set up but even frost look. You frozen orb a pack blizzard then spam lance. Already 3 more abilities than most of the other classes do in aoe situation. Also ice nova + CoC with procc. Tell me do you think it is OK that blizzard + frozen orb combined DMG is less than ice lance which hits 2 targets? How are you supposed to do superior aoe dps if your aoe abilities simply undertuned this badly? What would other classes say if their aoe abilities were suddenly cut in half? I don’t know.
Ice lance aoe would be viable with glacial fragment (legendary from SL) but they did not add it to the tree.
Blizzard’s damage is literally zero. Almost not worth to even waste the global CD on it. Only reason you do it is to reduce the cooldown of forzen orb so you can get more ice lanec spam out. The entire spec damage is just ice lance spam. They need to redistribute the dmg to blizzard and frozen orb as well. They are just means to an end. A tool to get more ice lance spams.