It is nice that you are eager to tune a spec that overperforms, but how about also tuning the specs that UNDERperform?
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So youāre giving every tank demonic wards basically. More class homogenization.
ive never ever lost aggro as a dkā¦ pop d&d then 2 bloodboils = perma aggroā¦
called balance sonā¦
No matter what, kite meta is kite meta. I miss the times when tanks were meant to get hit on the nose 
They did, canāt you read?
I was not talking about tanks. That is the price of being vague I guess. My bad
I think he means classes like survivalā¦
Look at boomkins compared to survival, survival will never reach them dps levels over this full expansionā¦ this is just not acceptable in an MMO
Maybe not on single target, but foe aoe SV is quite good.
This whole Ā“balancingĀ“ is little funny.
Sure, it will help classes like Prot Paladin or BDK a lot, cos their passive physical mitigation is bad. But Meta wont Change. It will stay the same.
VDH, Guardian/Protect Warrior, Monk, Protect Paladin and as always, BDK as the last one.
Guardians didnt need physical reduction bonus, we are sturdy as hell, but our magic mitigation ā¦ We dont have almost nothing (Only Barskin, but thats it). And yes, our AoE dps during Incarnate is great, but thats all bro. We have brutal problems w/o Incarnate (We got Convoke if NF but I dont want to play it, but there is no other logical choice for now).
Our sustain single/aoe burst dps is very, very bad. Blood DK dmg is low too, but they dont have a problem with AoE Burst - they got a lot of AoE Stuffs to deal with AoE Burst ā¦ they lacks single target).
Im not currently pushing, but I played M+18-20 and if there werenĀ“t some hunter or rogue in my party ā¦ you get a picture. Every pull was hard as ****, because everyone just jumped on these mobs and Guardian has literally nothing to deal with these situations (Our Incarnate is great for big pulls with UFR, but its CD is on 3 freakin minutes. If they reduced it to 2 minutes, it would give us some breathing room).
No its quite good with the cluster legoā¦ apart from that its terribleā¦
Itās a thread about tanksā¦
mate before crying about druid go play prot or bloodā¦ bears are way way way way more tankier they can just eat through dotsā¦ a prot war just dies from dots in secondsā¦ we have nothing against themā¦ ignore pain is not even worth pressing!
Blood has way better magic res than prot but bears are still betterā¦ ive seen bear tanks with 20 stacks of scorn on sire hc and just tank through itā¦ a prot warrior dies so fast from itā¦ 10 stacks and were dead.
When tanking as prot i feel so tanky vrs physical though, but any magical damage and we just lose chunks of HP, the deadly damage in the game is magic damage not physical and thats why druids and vdh are the best tanks by a mile.
Blood dk can mitigate a lot but constant damage from dots or magic just melts them too, prot is not even on the boardā¦
I am really sorry!
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Dont worry about him hes on a constant downerā¦ even when i first posted here in legion i think i seen him moaning about others. He must have a hard lifeā¦
It seems that you dont even read my post. I told you, that Bears are tanky as hell. The problems is with not with DoTs, but with bolt-spells, which takes about 70-80% hp away - and no, you cant kick or stun everything if you want greater pushes (You have Ignore Pain and Spell reflect for that, so stop whining, you got your legendary buffed and your dmg too) . And Again, I told you, that problem with Bears is AoE Burst agro. After fixes, you will never encourage something like that as Prot Warrior, never. You have near 90% active physical mitigation with SB (with lego) and for spells, you have spell reflect and Pain. You dont even push on this character so, seriously stop with this s**tshow. Before fix, warrior was bottom line as BDK, but after that its near Guardian level. You can even kite better than us - really, stop whining.
Blood DK and Prot Paladin - these two tanks need seriously some love. Im playing all tanks in SL - stopped with Paladin, because it lacks defensives and kiting with paladin is ā¦ worse than guardian 
. BDK problem is passive mitigations - they will die, before they can do anything + their dmg is on the bottom with Guardians.
With new season, Meta will change tremendously, because we will get more secondary stats. Warriors and BDKs especially loves secondaries, will skyrocket to the top of the food chain and VDHs will fall down. And if we dont get some rework on these classes, it will be the same every xpack. Start at the bottom, ends with no.1 as always.
Stop spreading this misinformation that VDH can simply kite everything with no tanking. You have to maintain aggro inbetween and thereās downtime. DH canāt face tank like a bear because itās squishy. Most of you never played VDH before youāre just hopping on the āHUR DUR NERF DHā bandwagon like sheep.
Dunno if that was for me, but I never said that. Bears are already better in every way except kiting and dmg. Even at lower lvl M+, VDHs are squishy as normal leather dps with more HP without CDs ā¦ .
I tried it, so I know it.
I think that we WILL get second legendary in 9.1 . If that happens, it will break the game ultimately. Bear with Luffa and UFR - just image that ā¦ (Yes, Im guardian and yes I like it but, I think its too far - thats why we wont get any dmg boost to our spells, they ll compensate it with second leggo ā¦).
Dont know about more leggos on the other classes, but if that happens, Prot Warrior and Guardian Druid will be at the top of food chain and VDH will me somewhere in the middle. BDKs have problems with mitigations, but they received DRW leggo rework, if they add other def leggo to the mix, they will be overpowered as hell from self-sustain/def perspective (they lacks dps - it will be better with more secondaries, but that can be hotfixed).VDHs - they got nice synergy with second leggio, but without some physical defensive value (Spirit of Darkness Flame). Monks have something good too for combo - but again, not too much with defensive value, only dmg (yes there is something, but its rng so ā¦). Warriors got Reprisal and The Wall leggo or Thunderlord, even more with generic leggos like Leaper (what the f***, warrior will become a lot better than VDH ā¦ ). The only tank, that will be bad, I mean seriously bad from Defensive value perspective is Paladin. They seriously need some passive boost to their defensives or some new leggos, otherwise it will be bad for them.
Yikes i defend you and you go on like thisā¦ maybe thats why hes like this due to snakes like you
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I think I am being really dumb right now.
I was so sure you were talking about me.
I need to work on my reading comprehension
Sorry about that this time