I guess term “immersion” for a fiction arts, like books, movies and games, means a slightly a different thing. “Immersion” in gaming usually is a concept of feeling the world behind the screen to be real one, like deep imagining of being inside this world for real. And there are “a break of immersion” things, when something takes you out of this feeling, reminding your brain it’s just a game. Good example here are quest texts, because in realistic world human-like creatures do not give you a note with all information when you interact with them, they speak to you. In this definition of “immersion” voice lines improve it.
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But that doesn’t mean you need to read all the text on a quest.
I’m still fully immersed in the world behind the screen, with what is going on. But my task is “Kill 10 Boars”, “Pick 6 Flowers”. Oh I’m level 70 now, Crafting 10000 Sophic Devotion Enchants. “Spam Trade Chat, and make crafts for other players”.
Its the state of involvement in the game. Not all the theatrics that go on.
Sure if you’re interesting in all the theatre and drama (which I enjoy the first time playing through), then I understand that is an important factor of the game and the games immersion for you.
But you can still be immersed in the game on both a objective level and social level, without all the theatrics and drama.
I fail to see where I was being rude. You apparently like things to be simple, so I call you a simpleton, someone who doesn’t like complex thinking.
AH! Now we are making progress.
Could you not have said that like 3 comments earlier? Would have saved me a lot of time arguing with you.
Of course it gets annoying to hear voice lines on the XYth Alt during play. But also this has a simple solution. Add a checkbox setting in the Audio Settings of the game for “disable Quest Voicelines”. You just have to re-enable it whenever a new patch comes around manually 
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I would like you to explain how you came to the conclusion that I like Simple things.
What also would have saved you time is not jumping to conclusions.
Do I have to quote you again on your comment with “I only need to know how many boars to kill and where to go”?
That basically is the prime example of a player/adventurer not caring for the story and just wanting to play quests without meaning to them.
Imagine it like “that brute character that doesn’t care for the reasons to do something in a movie/story. the character just likes to do things, not think about them”.
Or to make another example:
For me immersion in a movie is listening to the story, music, sounds and watching the visuals.
Based on your description, your immersion would just watching the movie muted, only caring for the visuals.
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How does that make someone simple? Peoples minds work very differently. Where one persons mind might be stimulate through Literature, another persons mind might be stimulated through problem solving.
The famous example is that Einstien was thought to be dyslexic, and stuggled to get his own thoughts down on paper (thanks google).
I haven’t watch a movie in years… or any TV shows. It’s just the same regurgitated junk over and over and then Netflix cancels it on season 3.
Personally I’m stimulated by adventure. Which is probably why I travelled for nearly a decade of my life.
I do and don’t like voiced quests. The first time round it is great or if I am having trouble reading but the second time it is too slow and I end up turning voice volume off. So yes for voiced questlines but with a toggle.
I don’t think you understand what “Immersion” is.
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Ofcourse it is immersion. I’m fully immersed in the World behind the screen. You don’t need to read a quest text to be immersed. We have discussed this in the thread.
I love how triggered someone is when people don’t wanna read quest text to get “immersed”. You don’t need to know backstory of your quest to get immersed into the world.
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As long as it was optional and traditional questing was still available. I detested everything being spoken to you in SWTOR and you ended up being ‘spacebar cowboys’ speeding through the dialogue.
This is clearly a feature some would love to role play their way through the questing. Others will just find it slows them down. So options are always best!
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Well, if you express your own “needs” as that simple, you should not be surprised when people read you as simple oriented.
Also, that name is written “Einstein” and I never said you are not smart (tho the used word simpleton may imply it). You just don’t care enough for complexity from my PoV.
And on those adventures you surely visited a lot of places, met many new people and talked to them and were interested in the history of the places you went to, right?
Then again I wonder why you express yourself as “I only want to know the goals of quest, not their story” in your initial comment, instead of fully expressing yourself as “If I am replaying on an Alt, I don’t want to know the story over and over again because I already know it”.
And for the record, if you would have expressed yourself that clearly, I wouldn’t even have quoted you in the first place.
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If you can make that judgement from a single comment about quests then maybe once again you’re jumping to conclusions. But I do applaud you on your attention to detail in being able to pick up on a typo. But not so much on your decision to try and use it to get one up on a stranger.
Lets look at Dragonflight for example.
We levelled up on the 28th December in about 24 hours. Then over the following 2 weeks, as we worked our way to Max Renown we unlocked 4 extra campaign quests at various renown levels. Since then there has been 1 or 2 added short quest lies.
So hopefully you can understand why enjoying the majority of the storyline 4 months is mostly at the back of someones mind, when there has been 4 months of gaming going on since then.
You’re comparing a video game to real life here. 2 very different adventures. People play video games as an escapism to the real world, what stimulates that escape differs between people.
In the real world there are lot more outside forces involved. Such as social interactions are part of reality. Where in a game, you can choose to avoid that. Or in the real world we learn about our History its forced upon us a schools, media and even going around you see it everywhere, where as in a game you have the choice to ignore that.
I think I remember you saying that you play multiple games. So I’m going to be hypocritical and come to the conclusion that you enjoy the Storylines and Lore of those games (please correct me if I’m wrong). But personally I enjoy WoW, I don’t really have any other games I play. I enjoy the game play of WoW, I enjoy the social interactions in WoW, and I enjoy the ongoing narrative of WoW the first time round.
Noted, I’ll make sure to include an auto-biography next time I make a post on the forums.
In a forum I can only work with what I read from people. Sorry, but I can’t look at your name and be like “oh yeah, that’s person XY, I know everything about him/her/they”. I have to work with what people say here to engage in any type of conversation. And if you chose to write the least amount in a comment, you should not be surprised when people jump to conclusions because
A.) We can’t read your mind
B.) We don’t know who you are IRL
C.) There are many ridicules people on the Internet and some would be very serious about the tiniest things from my experience
That being said, deal with it that people work with the presented facts.
And you forget several factors here for the topic.
1.) VA quest text do not just affect older/current expansions but also future ones.
2.) Some people are new to WoW or joined the current DLC owners later.
3.) Not all people have every day/week time to play and progress the story.
That being said, for a new player it would be a nice addition. For a late joiner, it would be a nice addition. Even for a Veteran like you it could be a nice addition for future DLCs.
And again as mentioned in the first quote of this comment. I can’t read your mind. I can’t see your history. It is up to you to bring all the information required into a forum about yourself, because you can’t expect people to first ask for an entire player resume just to know that your lacking comment was meant in the context of a player playing the Story on Alts again.
Quite ironic that you say that, considering this comparison for “mental involvement” aka Immersion in Video games…
Now that is a very narrow generalization to think every person would play Video games “as an escapism to the real world”. Sure, it may apply to people like you. But I for instance play video games as a form of entertainment. Not because I am turned off or annoyed by my real life or want to “escape it”.
Quite ironic too, considering that most video games are still build based on those “outside forces involved” that you mentioned “people want to escape from”.
- WoW 2004 was a very social driven game and was famous for that.
- Games like VR Chat are all about Social Interaction.
- MMORPGs are about social interaction with players in an immersive World.
- Games like Sims are about real-life simulation.
- Games like Anno are about City building and management of Civilizations.
- Strategy Games like Total War are about Strategy and understanding of Combat Situations.
- Shooters are about precision, reaction and lots of guns (most shooters even use real life guns as weapons ingame).
- Sandbox Games like Minecraft are all about Creativity and pushing your own limits of imagination.
- Party games like Mario Kart or Golf with Friends are all about the social competitive experience between friends and family for fun…
I could go on. And for the part of “avoiding social interaction in games”… If you even just emote ingame in WoW, that does count as social interaction. Some would even go so far that helping each other in open world combat/quests without talking counts as social interaction, because you are (unintentional) actively helping someone.
And you know what? That’s actually correct. Congratulations. You learned to read people, even if it is a conclusion… Since conclusions are still “a judgement or decision reached by reasoning”.
And all that is totally ok. But what my point was and still is that you could have mentioned that initially, and as you acknowledged so sarcastically:
I think we made both our points clear by now. Have a nice day, enjoy the game and til the next time we argue (hopefully with enough context beforehand).
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Then maybe try to avoid jumping to conclusions.
Or maybe just don’t jump to conclusions.
Maybe you should try reading in context rather than just jumping to conclusions again.
Another poster brought up Mental Involvement.
And that is not escapism?
Escapism doesn’t mean you’re turned off or annoyed by your real life. Again you’re just jumping to conclusions.
If you’re seeking Immersion in the form of theatrics and drama and immersing yourself in the world behind the screen, that is as much escapism as it is entertainment. Those 2 things can go hand in hand together.
I understand the point you’re making. I still don’t think they’re comparable here.
A social interaction you’re having in the game comes about as a reaction to the artificial environment of the game. Your choice to play the game has caused you to submit to the rules and procedures of the game. A player I might interact with in the game might need me to craft Amice of the Blue for them. I would be unlikely to ever to interact with that person in Real life, simply because I would never be crafting that item for them. That interaction is designed and created by the game. It’s playing the game, not so much a social interaction.
Whilst I might not meet someone in RL who shares the exact same interests as me. Because of Social Factors, Geographical, Political or a million other factors. They might even be 10 meters away from me the day I get hit by a bus and still we would never know about each others existence.
Reasoning is something you seem to still need to learn, since you have jumped to alot of conclusions.
Again, I’ll just include my auto-biography next time I make a post.
In reality, you should just be less judgemental and less jumping to conclusions and maybe ask questions when things aren’t clear. you would never have embarrassed yourself like this.
Also please drop the aggressive tone and this might have been more of a debate.
You know what? I give up arguing with you. You tell me to read in context, when the first comment I responded to you was your literally only one about that topic without much context of your own PoV.
You tell me to read in context but you don’t provide context in the first place… I think my brain just left the house reading that response of yours.
Yeah, keep telling that yourself if you wish to. I am tired of this conversation.
Bold of you to assume I feel embarrassed by my own words or what you said. I couldn’t care less. All your comments did is giving me a headache to read.
And again quite ironic that you tell me to ask questions when I did that at some points when talking to you.
Anyways. If you still want to believe that reading quest goals or not reading quest texts at all is “your immersion” in WoW, do that. Also keep thinking that I did “jump to conclusions” while not sharing any actual relevant info for your own opinion in any discussion. If you think that contributes for you to a discussion with other users, that isn’t my problem.
Again, have a nice day. I am done with this.
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Well you should do. Jumping to conclusions and flaming a random stranger on the internet for enjoying a different immersive experience in a video game is definitely not a good look.
still think for next expack it should be optional at lest. breath of fresh air added in to wow
All these things add to the game for those who want it;
It should 100% be an option, could also be of help for people who have problems with reading for one reason or another!
Adding = Almost always good, unless it’s to make stuff more difficult. 
agree would be a good addition for blind Role players.
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