Void elf reasons

Blizz do tend to go a bit “New Toys” crazy when they introduce a new class or race, something that even as far as Death Knights they have suffered from. People still think that Death Knights are immune to magic and Saronite is unbreakable because of that one quest chain, without realising that it was a raw chunk of Saronite, not the Tempered version of Saronite you could make armour out of, I mean if it -was- that impervious to damage, then how on earth would the Scourge have been able to hammer it into armour for their Death Knights? How on earth would Death knights use some magic as well as their considerable physical efforts? Demon Hunters were similar “I have sacrificed Everything, what have you given?” Weelll, they hadn’t really, had they? I mean even the defining feature of removing their own eyes doesn’t seem to have impeded them in a way you would imagine, with regards, well, being Blind. In fact they have -more- visual acuity than a person who has not plucked out their own eyes, which is surreal, nor is it explained why any Demon Hunter after Illidan actually did put out their own eyes, as it really doesn’t have any link to Fel, Demons or sacrifice, given that they get an upgrade. Rule of Cool over Common Sense, basically.

Void Elves have the same. We are expected to believe that they act for altruistic purposes when behaving in a way that is not altruistic in the slightest, and indeed actively sacrilegious and horrific. I mean Void Tyrannosaurs is clearly the act of ‘Good’ people, right?

They are supposedly a small secret cult, that even Umbric realises were on a pretty grim path, stating that “Now I understand why Rommath forbade this study” when he puts two and two together and realises they are using the research notes of probably the most hated Thalassian in the history of the species. I mean if anything the Alliance should want nothing to do with them, there is one species on the planet that should hate Void Elves with a passion, and that is Thalassian Elves. High Elves should hate them even more than Blood Elves, to be honest, given where their research came from, as Dark’han Drathir caused far more harm to the Thalassian Exiles, than to the Blood Elves. I mean wiping out 90% of your friends and family through treachery is bad, but causing a set of circumstances that then got 1% of the original population exiled because of what he did is arguably worse, especially when you are the 1%. High Elves should absolutely loathe Void Elves with a passion beyond anyone who is not a Blood Elf.

Of course, ‘New Toys’ so we don’t see that, and both Blood and High Elves are studying at Telogrus.

Void Elves do not, as far as we know, have the ability to create new Void Elves. No one knows how that works, not Alleria (who is not technically a Void Elf) and not Umbric (Who has no idea what exactly Dur’zaan was trying to do, at what point the intervention of Alleria prevented it, and what the thing that went wrong with Dur’zaan’s intention was). Nobody knows how to make new Void Elves, so they are still a tiny cult, less than a round percentile of the Thalassian population. They are, functionally extinct, even assuming they can -have- offspring, they are too few in number to be a species with a good enough gene pool to avoid some pretty hideous accidents.

It is strange, or perhaps lucky, that Umbric’s parents gave him that name, as Umbra equalling ‘Shadow’ is a neat twist of fate, would be awkward if his parents had called him “Sunflower” but there you go.

As I say, even Umbric realises -why- Rommath hated their line of study, and could realise that Rommath may indeed have had good reason. The fact that Umbric then says that his people always believed in the Alliance core values (before then going on to behave entirely contrary to those values) is weird, Actually, no, it is borderline insane, which is perhaps, not surprising. Also, Quest text that a National Leader gives to someone who is a ‘Noted person of importance’ is not the same as “this is what I actually think”. I mean no one sensible RP’s their character as the one and only Champion of Azeroth. If I was a Faction leader, and had someone ostensibly under my command who was powerful enough to have killed Gods, Undead Kings, a Dragon Aspect, a whole Titan Soul Planet, then Y’know, I’d tell them the things they wanted to hear too, in case they got bored of killing Kobolds and came gunning for me and my job.

Look at Garrosh during MoP in the starting blurb for a Huojin Pandaren (Just made a new alt the other day, hence it was fresh in my mind) “You will find no finer ally in battle than an Orc!” Okay Garrosh, national pride is good, fine… “Tauren can be useful, look at this one, they are a Shaman” OK Garrosh, now you’re going weird, thats not how you talk about people, plus, pretty sure Orcs have Shamans too, so wouldn’t need a Tauren to define them, but fair enough… “Even a Blood Elf can carry a sword!” Mate, Maaaate, the first time you saw these angular cruel mo-fo’s they were doing the devastation tango over your whole planet, where is the ‘even’ coming into this? They are cruel aliens who wanted to drain your planet into a husk, and you were powerless to stop, where does this weird idea that they are weak come from? I mean if they are weak, what are you? “Now I will threaten people from a continent who could give me a massive strategic advantage over my enemies, because this will clearly win them over to my side”

Yeah Garrosh. Thats totally how it works.

Thats about as serious as Umbric’s guff about always believing in the Alliance. Utter tosh. If he did, he would have left twenty years back when the rest of the Quel’dorei did. But he didn’t. We know how recently he left, because whilst the research took place at an undefined time, the actual rise of the Void Elves can only have been after Alleria returned to Azeroth, so basically pretty much now. Thats twenty years of ‘believing in the Alliance’ without actually believing in the Alliance enough to go and join it, like, y’know, 10% of the surviving species did……

I’m not even going to go into Dalaran and Eversong/Ghostlands apart from to say “Ehh, Kaldorei, you reap what you sow” but the Void Elves would be much better if they were kind of like John Constantine from Hellblazer “I study bad magics, and am probably a bad person, but I generally try to do good, I mean, yeah, really bad magics, and I probably am a really bad person, but eventually my ends may justify the means, assuming we are all alive to see it happen."

Thats Void Elves. They are not good people, far from it, but they are people who for whatever reason, thought that the ends justified the means.

And that, is incredibly Azeroth Elven, and how they always have been.

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Hero class :+1: not ZERO class :-1:

There’s…no ‘I’ in Team, but there is in ‘Death Knight’?

Those damn nightborne immigrants, they come to our lands and take our jobs. I’m looking at you, Oluceth.

I mean, lets face it, if anyone can just -come- over to our lands, it is going to be an expert Telemancer….

Oh please…
You guys don’t even know what telemancy was untill master Oculeth… tearing portals in the fabric of reality without care or proper anchoring left and right… ugh…
Its a miracle Azerot still exist!

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To be fair, I think the Horde could actually make Westfall a decent zone… Unlike how Stormwind handles everything outside of Elwynn >_>

Horde-Aligned Human race when?!

When Demon Hunter recruits feast on Demonic blood; they see a sight(The full might of the Legion and the endless worlds they dstroyed I think) so terrible they gouge out their own eyes.

We call them the Forsaken.

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Ehh, I’d actually go with the Legion invasion, being Demons and inexplicable horrors from another world, are actually a bit less disturbing than the Scourge would have been as a concept, which is pretty horrific, more likely to strike home, and harder to deal with given that it is your friends and family.

The Scourge are Alton Towers. It can happen here, has done, and I can visit it. The Legion are Disneyworld. I know it happened a long way away, it is theoretically possible to get there, but only with effort and easier to get around by punching a person in a foam costume…

I’m not sure the sight of the Legion would be sufficiently worse than that of the Scourge…is what I am clumsily trying to say. Not enough that as a millennia old being I would claw out my own eyes over…

It’s not just the sight of the Legion, it’s seeing every future, every path, every (then) possible outcome of the Legions invasion ending the same way which drove them to madness.

And if we’re talking Illidan specifically, he didn’t do it to himself. He had his eyes burned out by Sargeras for being a naughty boy and skipping his supper.

Edit: Fixed the name

Sargeras was the one who burned out Illidan’s eyes, not Kil’jaeden.

Ah, my bad. I knew it was one of them, couldn’t recount who.

It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me, personally speaking, but the general consensus is that the horde chased them away so they only have the Alliance to turn towards.

Thats the edge lord version
The truth?
You can’t handle the Truth!
Well okay… the truth is, the first eyebeam burns their eyes out

You even get the bone free version in shadowlands so yeah, there you have Horde humans :slight_smile: only they’re dead, but Horde wouldn’t have it any other way

Not all are, you get to choose your characters feelings towards the Blod elves. Some probably are really really pissed about being exiled, some hope they till joing the Alliance one day, some are indifferent, some would kill because of circumstances… You get it, every Void elf is not the same. All of them are though, in debt to Alleria for saving their a$$es

If you’re Horde, sure. No one on the Alliance side has been particularly boodthirsty except Tyrande, and she literally had her city razed - and still everyone else is telling her to just let it go and move on, because Alliance characters aren’t allowed to be angry or interesting.

Well, Sylvanas was top-dog Ranger in life, and thus a natural ally to the people who knew her back then. The Forsaken also happened to be the closest potential ally - not accepting them as such would be a massive strategic error.

But this really devolved, didn’t it?

Isn’t she became Ranger-general only becasue Alleria didn’t wanted the position after the previous Ranger-general, their mother Lireesa died against the Horde?
My memory is a bit foggy about this… but something something similar isn’t it?
She was an anoyance for Arthas but not a real threat or oppsition…

Yeah Sylvanas was actually super weak and only got her position due to nepotism. There’s not years of canon indicating her immense skills or anything. It was just luck+family connection.

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And jaina, I mean setting loose a paramilitary group with no powers of arrest to go and…arrest civilians they have no power of arrest over is only going to end well. I could give examples, but it would involve The Troubles which are not a great thing. Fairly certain that when even Alliance NPC’s are scared witless about the violence on the streets, that something has went a bit Krystallnacht there… Also, dangling civilians over an actual shark whilst force-choking them is not good guy material. Pretty sure wiping out a village because it wasn’t even on your way so that you could Manifest Destiny their country is a bit grim as well, Not like these are kind of…Grim nasty stuff. We don’t generally look upon Child Slavery as a good thing either, but sure, its just the Horde that does bad things.

Sure it is…

Also, the Blood Elves in TBC to start with are neutrals, who the Alliance try to starve to death, again, not sure that is really good guy material…

Sylvanas however did get her job through nepotism, and was never actually portrayed as competent except in her own head. She got her job because of who mammy was, and big sis didn’t want it. That’s how Sylvanas became Ranger General. That’s how she got it, she may or may not have been competent, but the only insight we have into that was her contracting Windrunner Pox and wanting to Gam humans, who she then promoted to Ranger Lord, despite his own short story showing he was a whinging incompetent who ran away from his duties when things weren’t even that tough. Pair of them were numpties who didn’t deserve their role. Show me a source saying otherwise, and I’ll show the ones stating that they were a bit rubbish.

There is no canon saying she was really good, at all. Unless her saying she was really good, is actually canon. The Canon evidence in game is that she was not actually that good.