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Actually I would go out on a limb and say the two pandaren leaders share the only braincell, on the grounds that they donât get caught doing stupid things.
They are smart enough to be seen, and smart enough to not talk and make a show of themselves.
Ah donât know if Iâve done it or just donât remember it
I donât know whether English is your first language or not, but âshe mastered archeryâ is not the equivalent of âshe is a master archer.â To master something simply means youâve learned to do it properly.
For example, any old mage has mastered magic, but an arch mage like Khadgar is a master of magic.
Iâm not saying Sylvanas isnât/wasnât a good archer or whatever, Iâm just pointing out that youâve misunderstood that particular phrase to mean something that it doesnât. To master is not to become a master.
Not exactly sure why youâre bringing The Troubles into WoW lore as though the two were at all comparable, but W/E. Jaina wasnât didnât actually even officially fight under the Alliance banner until after the purge of Dalaran - and just to make one thing clear; She only did the purge because she finally had enough after the Horde Warchief had her first home nuked, and her second home used as a means to steal a weapon.
I mean, sure, even if we accept the premise that Jaina is pretty much an alliance leader at this point, then we have to weigh in what motivated her actions - primarily the fact that her people/subjects were wiped out by the Horde in what has to be considered the single most cowardly attack ever carried out - except for that one time KromâGar, who was also a Horde member, nuked a druid academy.
Iâm not sure where child slavery features into this - the only thing I can think of off the top of my head is KulâTiras and the Ashvane Company, which isnât part of the Alliance? Like, they literally feature as the villains of the Alliance campaign in BfA? Regardless of that - sure, even if you can show me an example of child slavery within the actual alliance, are we seriously going to argue that itâs as bad as the fact that the horde since day one had Sylvanas who literally relied on necromancy, torture and chemical warfare? ^^â
I donât know how the Geneva Convention rates this stuff, but Iâm willing to argue that blighting all of Gilneas is generally considered a bit worse than child labor.
Hey, we have the best leader!
Kiro is smart and good tactician⊠okay, maybe his only bad decision was to join the Horde, when the Zandalari Empire was right next door and the new queen was gratefull for all the help the little foxes provided
Seeking allies on another continent thoâ could be considered a brilliant tactical move; from Orgrimar the Vulpera Caravans spreadâŠ
âŠsoon the Year of the Fox will come
I just realised I didnât know the vulperan racial leaderâs name till now.
Offcourse they are being made because they are playable. Blizz just forget to mention how.
Otherwise It wouldnât make sense for players roll one.
Not true.
Just because they are playable doesnât mean there are more. The number of players means nothing in relation to racial numbers.
I honestly thoght that was Ion meme for a second. They look so fimilliar. Same dead eyes.
Arguably, in Blizzardâs story, not getting focus means you win.
Just look at Ji smelling foul play and bailing on the second siege of Orgrimmar, well before Sylvanas actually reveals the cheatcodes she got from the Jailer. Aysa probably thought of a similar excuse to not go.
As much as I wish anything pandaria or pandaren related would get cool stuff, the truth is that if we ever get focus again itâll probably be disastrous, so I am taking the devil you know here.
This is kinda true⊠every time a race/charater ave a spotlight, that means doom
Elves
Thalryssa
Thank NâZoth they not focusing on Vulpera so we are free from this âcurseâ
What Ranko said. And also, I doubt the Void elves would even try make something like replicate the ritual that almost killed them⊠Well, turned them into Void. They didnât want the transformation, they wanted to study the Void as a power, which is what we see other High- and Blood elves do in the rift. Some wants to go with âbeing a ânewâ Void elfâ though and Iâm not the judge of what people can or cannot RP, to me though it doesnât make sense.
Where was this stated, by the by?
It wasnât, I meant it more like âknowing Blizzard, theyâll do a worgen and say that two void elves having kids makes a normal blood/high elfâ.
Hope that clears it up!
Well, you kind of said it yourself, it was a comparison using a real life example of a bunch of people who are ethnically and genetically identical, yet have an ideological reason to rationalise being incredibly violent towards each other, as a Brit of Irish descent who was growing up pre the Peace Process, the Troubles are my kind of âGo Toâ comparison for such things, I could equally have used the Hutu and Tutsi tribes as a comparison (possibly even more accurate, as they donât even have religious differences as an impetus) but thatâs a whole different continent, not something I would see graffiti in pub toilets encouraging. I think to say Jaina wasnât an Alliance leader until after the Purge is a bit of a stretch, She was a moderate, and tried to be neutral, but she was always an âAllianceâ character, even when she tried to make peace between the two Factions. I mean look at the stick Baine gets for the same thing, yet he is definedly âHordeâ. Also the -justifiable- rage she felt still led to her setting loose one group of paramilitary inhabitants of a city against another group of paramilitary inhabitants of a city, when if her goal was to simply arrest the troublemakers, she could have done with less blood on the streets by just using that whole armed police force Dalaran has called âDalaran Peacekeepersâ. Sure, she definitely had good reason, still mass murder, illegal incarceration and torture however. Theramore also wasnât exactly Cowardice, it was just an extremely gross use of weapons that outclassed the Alliance. If thatâs cowardly then the whole concept of use of arms is cowardly, the very moment where one side gets an edge over the other.
As for Child slavery I wasnât actually thinking of the Ashvane at all, in fact I had forgotten that there is that whole quest, no, I was thinking of the Pandaren children being forced to labour and build an Alliance airstrip. Donât get me wrong, the Horde did exactly the same, but thatâs kind of the point, both sides did exactly the same unpleasant stuff to adults and children of a place both had arrived in as foreigners. You can do the quests on Horde side and Alliance side, its the same, neither set of labourers wanted to be there, and children had been put to work. So yes, that is an example of the Alliance employing child slavery.
As to whether that is better or worse than the Horde (which it really isnât, both sides are pretty scuzzy to each other and everyone else they meet) well to use your examples, the Alliance is also OK with Necromancy and the Undead, Torture, and Unusual weaponry. In that regard there is a strong whiff of hypocrisy, in that the Alliance seem to view the Forsaken as an aberration that does not deserve to exist, whilst being quite happy not only with their own Undead to wander around, but happy enough that they will actually put them in command of living soldiery (Thassarian in case youâre wondering). Turns out Necromancy is OK when the Alliance does it. Torture is the same, both sides do it. Chemical warfare also, I mean lets not forget it was a member of the Alliance who actually âperfectedâ Blight in Northrend. A Gnome who came up with the lethal strain before the Forsaken actually did. Lets not forget that Jaina and Vereesa, the two people with the most reason to hate such weapons, were perfectly happy ordering people to chuck tactical mana bombs at the Horde.
I donât know how the Geneva convention rates such things either, but I do know that both acts would be War Crimes, if it comes to that?
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