Blizzard made up the lore to force the blood elves into the horde you mean out of sudden…
Yet they negated you High Elves since the game development and thought of Horde Blood Elves earlier than they thought of TBC Alliance race.
Allright, so if that is idd a custom campaign…then at what point was it created? Before or after WoW, after WotLK or during…?
Because that’s not very convincing evidence then…
The fact remains how the creation of the blood elves was huge retcon considering all the events in the past between the elves and the horde.
No, actually the High Elves in that essence are the retcon.
Would it really have made that much sense for the Blood Elves to just return back to the Alliance after all that happened in The Frozen Throne? Kael’thas and his strongest survivors set to be executed for treason in Dalaran?
I don’t think so, the only thing I would agree with is that Blizzard should have been more thorough in outlining Why the chose to ally with the Horde and the Alliance’ transgressions against them.
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It doesn’t matter, it happened, it is canon lore, and the High Elves are a copy-paste minority.
The Blood Elves do fit in the Horde. Appearance and theme is not everything, specially when the Horde is composed of so many different people, that has always been it.
Blood Elf recruitment to the Horde was not out of thin air. Sylvanas as a former hero of Quel’thalas send help to Ghostlands and had a very important role in convincing the Orcs that the Blood Elves would be great allies.
Again, ‘‘events’’ in the past is huge bs. There were also events in the past between Alliance and the Elves, so what? That and don’t you dare come with the Troll excuse, the Darkspear have nothing to do with the Amani, they’re even enemies.
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Ok, I agree with you there, just wasnt following the conversation entirely, just noticed you posted some campaign that doesnt look like any official campaign ive seen(thus headcannon at best).
But aye, elves never belonged in the horde and now its basically all elves and undead humans.
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it’s not a retcon.
A retcon is where you change previous lore to make new lore fit. The fact that the elves were opposed to the horde in the past, and aligned with them later is not a retcon. It’s called an unexpected development.
Here would be a retcon. 90% of an elven race are killed. 90% of the survivors join the horde. Of those that remain, over half permanently reside in Dalaran, some others attend lodges and then from that remainder there are apparently enough left over to form a “prominent part of the alliance”, despite the fact we haven’t seen high elven troops on deployments in game for several years. Suddenly making it so the high elves have for example, a working military, and residences, now THAT would be a retcon because as far as the lore tells us, they do not have those things.
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Because, frankly, it is.
Vereesa isn’t in the RTS games. The Silver Covenant didn’t exist before Wrath.
If you want the WC2 High Elf fantasy look at Auric and his outland high elves.
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I can’t believe I’m agreeing with you as we were staunch enemies on opposing sides on mmo-c but I agree with you thing s are being made up here to fit an agenda.
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Population
Population is often brought up as a reason against playable High Elves. Using Lore Sources, this segment of the post shall determine how High Elves aren’t the only race with a decidedly low population, and may even have a greater one than some playable races or other groups. Please keep in mind, this is predicated upon the above sourced information from Ornyx that we play a specific faction of a race.
The Third War decimated the original High Elven population, leaving only 10% to continue on. Of this, nine in ten survivors would take on the name of, ‘Blood Elf.’
Post Third War:
90% Blood Elves.
10% High Elves.
Of these numbers, Kael’thas took the strongest 15% of the Blood Elves with him to seek allies in the Alliance, and these forces would continue with him into the Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne campaigns in Outland and Northrend. The forces which survived this encounter would return to Outland where Kael’thas would lay siege to Netherstorm. As per an excerpt from the Journal of Archmage Vargoth, Kael’thas’ army numbered in the, “Thousands.”
“Surviving high elves comprise a mere 1% of the original high elven population, with the blood elves accounting for the remaining 9% of it.” “Kael’thas took 15% of the blood elves to Outland.”
At minimum this would be 2,000 Blood Elves. Meaning, at minimum, the High Elves would be over 1,000 in population. These numbers are, ‘minimums,’ and it should be noted how much Kael’thas was able to accomplish and how far his forces were stretched during the Burning Crusade, and that was after losing the Scryers, which was described as the greatest loss of manpower he ever faced.
“Entry 1969) <This page is hastily scribbled, in stark contrast to the perfect calligraphy of the earlier entries.>
We’ve been attacked… Kael’thas’ army… thousands of them!!
Floating ships… far larger than any zeppelin I’ve seen… strong, foreign magical energy… and some sort of mana bomb?
I’ve cast a protective ward on the tower… no sign of the others…” — Archmage Vargoth
Pandaren Population
Playable Pandaren come from the Wandering Isle faction of Pandaren. The Wandering Isle has been shown only to have a small handful of villages of Pandaren, suggesting a small population. Even then, only a small number of these Pandaren leave the Wandering Isle as playable characters, or lore characters.
"I would like you, Ji, and Aysa to leave and bring your strength and wisdom to the world. These Alliance and Horde have different ideals, but at the core of
both lies noble intent. " — Spirit of Master Shang Xi
Demon Hunters Population
The number of Demon Hunters by the point in time they become playable is undetermined, however, the training for Demon Hunters is such an intense experience that most die, or go crazy and commit suicide.
“Most are overwhelmed and killed by the demonic energy or go insane and commit suicide.”
Darkspear Trolls Population
Of all the playable races in the game, the Darkspear have faced more continued devastation to their population than any other. They were driven out of Stranglethorn Vale by the other troll tribes. After that they were in constant conflict with murlocs, and then with Kul Tirans searching for Thrall’s Horde. After the Third War, what remained of the Darkspear Tribe would be further endangered by Zuldazane creating an, ‘Army,’ of trolls out of the tribe. Prior to being found by Thrall they were described as being on the brink of extinction.
“Plagued by a history of subservience and exile, this proud tribe was on the brink of extinction when Warchief Thrall and his mighty Horde forces were driven to the trolls’ remote island home in the South Seas during a violent storm.”
Void Elves Population
“Or how Alleria, and the crack elite squad of elves that she has trained to harness the power of the Void, come to make their home in the Alliance.” — World of Warcraft Game Director Ion Hazzikostas [
The Void Elves have more recently brought into question the relevance of a population being a factor into a race being considered playable or not. Unless Rommath banished, ‘thousands,’ of Void Elves for studying the Void (a significant portion of the Blood Elf population), it stands to reason the Void Elves do not have even equal numbers to High Elves.
“Convinced that the void was essential to the defense of Silvermoon, Umbric and his followers delved into it against the wishes of Quel’Thalas’ Grand Magister, Rommath. Eventually, Rommath had them banished, reasoning that any who treat with the void pose a danger to the Sunwell, and Umbric led his followers south to the Ghostlands to pursue their research.”
Source : https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20762037085
I’m sorry but I’m not reading all that as reading the titles I already know what it is about.
I never said population was a reason to not add High Elves, because there are races with less population than them.
All I said is that they are copy-paste from Blood Elves and the majority of the High Elven population are the Blood Elves. That being said, you don’t have a reason to add the race that looks 99% the same except for eye color.
No ‘‘but Void Elves’’ because Void Elves actually look different from Blood Elves.
The Sindorei will never be the same thing as Quel’dorei you are just making confusion here.
They’re the same except the Quel’dorei are Alliance because they think differently and have blue eyes, which the Blood Elves might be getting with the new customization options.
No they are totally different groups in the lore which had different history to and different path in it.
And yet, despite the smaller numbers of these populations, we actually see them giving troops and doing stuff in the world. So what is the High Elves’ excuse? Why are they so precious to lend troops or whatever, if their numbers do indeed outweigh the Tushui Pandaren? Especially given they’re supposed to be part of the Alliance?
If I were in charge i’d kick them out, they’re clearly freeloading. They didn’t contribute to the 4th war one single iota. Leave them to clean their books in Dalaran because apparently that’s all they care about. This is probably why they’re not playable, because they’re simply not the sort to go adventuring or get out and about, as evidenced by their surprising lack of presence within the alliance, despite apparently being core members.
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Its not the same, this is not hard to understand :
High Elves - (Quel’dorei) The High Elves are the survivors of the Third War who chose not to embrace the magic draining techniques of Kael’thas (who learned them from Illidan) and instead chose to remain loyal to the Alliance, or were exiled from Quel’Thalas.
Blood Elves - (Sin’dorei) The Blood Elves are the survivors of the Third War who chose to embrace the magic draining techniques of Kael’thas (who learned them from Illidan), and followed Lor’themar into joining the New Horde under Warchief Thrall.
I already know that, I’m a sucker for High Elf and Blood Elf lore.
I’m just stating that adding High Elves is basically turning the most popular Horde race Neutral because they are the same except for eye color in appearance.
Sure they might have developed differently, but that doesn’t change the fact that they are 99% the same race.